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talk of gun control propagates legeslation like this warrentless wire tappin

http://gizmodo.com/5971743/senate-ap...ne-tapping-law

And Obama will sign that shit

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I'm not sure how talk of talk of gun control caused this. This has been pending long before Sandy Hook and is just an extension of Bush era laws. 73/23 seems pretty bipartisan. I don't care who is in office, big brother wants to know what you are up to and the right is at least as guilty in this as the left.

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Reminds me of a piece I heard on NPR last week. The person who was being interviewed was really neutral, he wasn't for new laws just for the sake of having them. His angle was actually supporting no new gun laws, instead he was pushing more mental health programs. He brought up a really good point on how once upon a time not too long ago, say 20 yrs ago that the NRA was pro-gun of course but had an aura about them that championed safety and owning a gun as a privilege. They never said it but you got the message that having a gun was a responsibility that was not for everyone. Almost as though they didn't want everyone to have them. Primarily ownership was hunters and target shooters.
This is pretty much how my dad brought me up when I started shooting at 8yrs old. More recently the NRA has gone bat shit and linked themselves with the tea party types, wearing guns to political speeches and crap like that. The NRA has become political, this in my opinion puts them in a bad light and makes them look like a fringe group. The idea of teachers packing in every class room didn't help either. I am a proud gun owner and have no problem with sensible laws such as instant background checks at gun shows. If they can swipe a credit card to see if you are over the limit I do not see why they cannot do a background check as quick on the spot. However shit like magazine limits is just stupid. When I shot casual competition I could do a mag change on my 45 and be back on target in less than 2 seconds. Just my opinion.

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^^^All due respect but your observations are very skewed. The NRA has ALWAYS been VERY political. It was what has made them the most sucessful citizen special interest group in history to this very day. While I think that Mr. LaPierre's delivery of the NRA message in the wake of Sandyhook last week left much to be desired, much of what he said and proposed had already been brought up from several different participants of the conversation. The news coverage also left much to be desired and they siezed on the protesters and Mr. La Pierre's less than stellar ability to speak publicly to demonize the NRA just as they are going all out to demonize ALL gun owners and enthusiasts right now. They think they smell blood and are not going to let this "crisis" go to waste.
To say that the NRA ever implied that the second amendment was "selective" would be a complete misreading and miscalculation of where they were coming from in the past and now.
You are correct that the NRA always emphasized gun safety and responsibility but I fail to see where they have abandoned that as you seem to. What I see is a leadership that has gone defensive and I, as a member am going to speak up loud and clear that it is imperative that the NRA get back on the offensive and actively and vigorously oppose ALL of these wild attempts to take our most precious of liberties away from us...Yes...That's what I said...The second amendment is BY FAR the most precious of liberties granted to us by the forefathers and framers of this nation...It's there for the purpose of protecting the FIRST amendment and ALL of the ensuing rights and liberties that we're guaranteed!

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^^^All due respect but your observations are very skewed. The NRA has ALWAYS been VERY political. It was what has made them the most sucessful citizen special interest group in history to this very day. While I think that Mr. LaPierre's delivery of the NRA message in the wake of Sandyhook last week left much to be desired, much of what he said and proposed had already been brought up from several different participants of the conversation. endment and ALL of the ensuing rights and liberties that we're guaranteed!
I understand your point and agree to an extent, maybe I said it wrong. Of course the NRA has a lobby and is political but over the last 20 yrs or so they have made the mistake of being associated with one party rather than being neutral. At least in the common mans eyes it looks this way. In all fairness there are NRA members in both parties and plenty of gun owners who are not members too. By choosing a side politically they build up animosity among the "side" they are not seen with. Personally I think not choosing a side is more beneficial and allows both political parties to want to work with you to earn your vote. Chose one party and when they hit a rough patch or lose seats your power drops too. Why would any group want to shun support based on political affiliation?

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I understand your point and agree to an extent, maybe I said it wrong. Of course the NRA has a lobby and is political but over the last 20 yrs or so they have made the mistake of being associated with one party rather than being neutral. At least in the common mans eyes it looks this way. In all fairness there are NRA members in both parties and plenty of gun owners who are not members too. By choosing a side politically they build up animosity among the "side" they are not seen with. Personally I think not choosing a side is more beneficial and allows both political parties to want to work with you to earn your vote. Chose one party and when they hit a rough patch or lose seats your power drops too. Why would any group want to shun support based on political affiliation?
What you say has truth to it but I would point out it wasn't the NRA that made the choice. It was thrust upon them. They have proven over the years that they will work with anyone who supports their mission, party affiliation notwithstanding. It's the party (with the help of the media) that's distanced itself from the NRA...not the opposite.

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one of my clients developed special software that would grep out specific words from telephone conversations. It works at or above the NOC level and plugs directly into DNS100. Legally he had to move to Canada in order to work on this hardware/software.... until the patriot act approval. Then he could move back to the United States. Although not quite wire taping...... They were searching for words like 'bomb' 'drugs' etc and looking at patterns of words. They created some smart software. Weather it's leagal or not they still gona do it. You just hire another country to do it.

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