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post #1 of 45 (permalink) Old 03-03-2013, 10:28 AM Thread Starter
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1st Motorcycle Death of the season

Although, frankly, I find it hard to blame the car driver in this one.
Who, in their right mind, would be out riding (speeding) last night.
No common sense.

RIP rider and driver.


By Adam SegeTribune reporter
7:12 a.m. CST, March 3, 2013

Two men were killed and a boy was injured in a traffic crash Saturday evening in northwest suburban Roselle, police said.

Shortly after 7:30 p.m., a motorcycle struck a passenger vehicle in the 1100 block of West Lake Street, Sgt. David Hourigan of the Roselle Police Department said.

Both the motorcycle driver, who was 19, and the other driver, who was 35, died on the scene.

A 13-year-old passenger, believed to be the son of the 35-year-old man, was hurt and was taken to Advocate Good Samaritan Hospital. He was conscious and talking with first responders, and his injuries did not appear to be life-threatening, Hourigan said.

Based on witness accounts, police believe the motorcycle was traveling at a high rate of speed when it struck the side of the passenger vehicle.

"We believe speed [was] a large contributing factor," Hourigan said.

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Speeding, at night, on Lake Street in Roselle. fucking Genius idea.

I feel sorry for the driver of the car and his family .... And if that was his son, especially for him.

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Video and info states the driver of the car pulled out in front of the biker. Regardless. Rip. I haven't heard anything yet about names.

...plus my gf was with me saying "omg slow down, slow down" and I was thinking "Lose annoying squalk box in passenger seat, afford more mods and have less weight in the car and on the back of the bike"...so i dumped her and I'm single again as usual...HERE KITTY KITTY!!!
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Sad news, regardless of fault. And yes I agree who would be riding in the freezing cold we had last night?

Every year when riding season begins, I always fear other car drivers even morr because of them not seeing motorcycles. Esp in March. Scary

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Feel sorry for the driver of the car. Much like what was previously said, WTF was the rider thinking? Any ideas of the bikes speed yet other than the usual people who claim to be able to judge speed by sound?

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/l...,2034092.story

Although I'm surprised the tribune doesnt disable comments on these stories. Our local paper did this a couple years ago. Was pretty bad after there was a similar crash up here. Kid doing over a 130 in a 55 t-boned a full sized 4x4 ext cab pickup, flipped it over and killed the trucks driver along with himself. Of course some people (bikers friends/family) were blaming the truck for pulling out from a stop sign but forgetting the fact the bike was over TWICE the speed limit in the first place. Should mention that the kid just got out of court that morning for a 40 OVER ticket.

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everybody shit on the rider cus you were there and saw everything. yall can do no wrong ass hypocrites.

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everybody shit on the rider cus you were there and saw everything. yall can do no wrong ass hypocrites.
I get what you are saying but when you see a headlight a safe DISTANCE away you pull out. It is hard to tell that the vehicle is traveling over twice as fast as expected and bam. Dead people.
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I get what you are saying but when you see a headlight a safe DISTANCE away you pull out. It is hard to tell that the vehicle is traveling over twice as fast as expected and bam. Dead people.
maybe the driver didnt look. maybe he was distracted. maybe he was arguing with his son. just as many reasons to blame the driver. bottom line we werent there. and media loves to blame riders no matter who is at fault.

everyone in this thread acting all holy has sped on a motorcycle before. if indeed the rider was even speeding

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That stretch of lake street is bad in a car. It's really bad on a bike.

I can't imagine a worse place to wick it up.

Given that the impact killed the driver of the car I say it's a safe assumption that
A fair amount of speed was involved.

Yes, it probably the car driver not seeing the bike .... Not expecting a bike at all
This time of year .... And certainly not a bike at that rate of closure.

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From the looks of the Malibu in the video... the bike was moving...

http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2013/03/...roselle-crash/

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Reports of bike going over 100mph.

In the cold. F that noise
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Yeah by the looks of the car and bike the bike had to have been moving at a brisk pace.

Hell I have ridden in cold like this going faster surely isnt going to warm me up any faster Id rather ride slow and enjoy what heat i can from the fairings

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You people want to do yourselves a favor? Always ride with your brights on, unless your in a group ride. Then the leader runs with the brights on. I didn't give a shit who was coming. Brights on all the time. The brights throw people off, and they sure as shit see you

...plus my gf was with me saying "omg slow down, slow down" and I was thinking "Lose annoying squalk box in passenger seat, afford more mods and have less weight in the car and on the back of the bike"...so i dumped her and I'm single again as usual...HERE KITTY KITTY!!!
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You people want to do yourselves a favor? Always ride with your brights on, unless your in a group ride. Then the leader runs with the brights on. I didn't give a shit who was coming. Brights on all the time. The brights throw people off, and they sure as shit see you
Not sure brights would have helped in this case... Sad story. There is a lesson to be learned, though.

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Not sure brights would have helped in this case... Sad story. There is a lesson to be learned, though.
No it wouldnt had. Not riding like a jackass would have. Theres a time and place to get a bit crazy, a fucking 4 lane busy road with lots of shopping areas isnt it.

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No it wouldnt had. Not riding like a jackass would have. Theres a time and place to get a bit crazy, a fucking 4 lane busy road with lots of shopping areas isnt it.
Let alone just after rush hour, in this area, that's been needing a "no left turn" down this section for years. Then on a super cold day, with probably salt still on the road.

...plus my gf was with me saying "omg slow down, slow down" and I was thinking "Lose annoying squalk box in passenger seat, afford more mods and have less weight in the car and on the back of the bike"...so i dumped her and I'm single again as usual...HERE KITTY KITTY!!!
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You people want to do yourselves a favor? Always ride with your brights on, unless your in a group ride. Then the leader runs with the brights on. I didn't give a shit who was coming. Brights on all the time. The brights throw people off, and they sure as shit see you
+1 That's what I do, brights all the time, and I don't care.

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At some point this becomes a simple math problem .......


Look out your window...... across the yard.....across the street into the backyard of your neighbors house..... yeah ...... wayyyy over there 200 or 300 feet.

Now look behind you into your house ....and look back again....... BANG.

A motorcycle that was at that distance traveling 100 MPH crossed the gap before you looked back.

100 MPH = ~ 150 Feet Per Second.


That kind of speed in close quarters with limited sight lines ..... the guy in the car never had a chance.


What about our skilled rider ?

Standard reaction time is 1.5 seconds .... So you are almost fucked for starters.

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From 60 Miles an hour .... a motorcycle can be stopped in optimum conditions somewhere between 122 Feet
and 160 Feet. and that's assuming you could see a full two seconds of travel ahead and reacted immediately.

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In this case speed.... more importantly RATE OF CLOSURE wasn't a problem, it was THE problem.



Neither of them had a chance to avoid a collision.



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Nice find on the article Tom.

I am shocked when I talk to kids who ride sport bikes and they have never practiced high speed or any speed braking.

If you have never practiced hard braking from at least 60 mph, you are increasing your chances of running into something.

No one every crashed because they didn't get to 150mph quick enough.
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Although, frankly, I find it hard to blame the car driver in this one.
Who, in their right mind, would be out riding (speeding) last night.
No common sense.
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Video and info states the driver of the car pulled out in front of the biker. Regardless. Rip. I haven't heard anything yet about names.

It irks me to no end when "they" (not "us") always blame the motorcyclist when it's a motorcycle vs. car accident. In this case, Thunderstruck is exactly right, the video proves it was the car's fault. Not saying the biker was completely innocent, he probably was dicking around and shouldn't have.

The real truth is that cars just don't look where they are going, and it always seem that the motorcyclist is always the first to be blamed, even when there's proof to the contrary.

I also believe that people who ride motorcycles are better car drivers, because they actually look around and pay attention to the road, whereas I don't believe the rest of the car driving public are as aware.

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It irks me to no end when "they" (not "us") always blame the motorcyclist when it's a motorcycle vs. car accident. In this case, Thunderstruck is exactly right, the video proves it was the car's fault. Not saying the biker was completely innocent, he probably was dicking around and shouldn't have.

The real truth is that cars just don't look where they are going, and it always seem that the motorcyclist is always the first to be blamed, even when there's proof to the contrary.

I also believe that people who ride motorcycles are better car drivers, because they actually look around and pay attention to the road, whereas I don't believe the rest of the car driving public are as aware.
So if a car pulls out for a left hand turn in front of a motorcycle that is doing over DOUBLE the speed limit and is passing traffic that it is the person turning left that is at fault?? The Malibu driver likely NEVER SAW the bike! Driving past the crash minutes after it happened... I can say that the bike was moving. I would say right around the 100 mark. Granted, I don't like when a motorcyclist is the first to blame, but from the looks of this crash, it was his fault.

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Let alone just after rush hour, in this area, that's been needing a "no left turn" down this section for years. Then on a super cold day, with probably salt still on the road.
Sadly, this probably wouldn't have helped... Even a right hand turn would have been tragic at the speeds reported for the bike....

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The motorcyclist was a friend of my son. We had a long talk about this and came to the conclusion that both were at fault to some degree. I did tell my son that I fully believe that his friend is like most other new riders, and he was riding in a manner that he was not experienced enough to handle. Not to mention, that he was doing it in an area that most of us would be extra cautious.

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The motorcyclist was a friend of my son. We had a long talk about this and came to the conclusion that both were at fault to some degree. I did tell my son that I fully believe that his friend is like most other new riders, and he was riding in a manner that he was not experienced enough to handle. Not to mention, that he was doing it in an area that most of us would be extra cautious.

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The motorcyclist was a friend of my son. We had a long talk about this and came to the conclusion that both were at fault to some degree. I did tell my son that I fully believe that his friend is like most other new riders, and he was riding in a manner that he was not experienced enough to handle. Not to mention, that he was doing it in an area that most of us would be extra cautious.

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The motorcyclist was a friend of my son. We had a long talk about this and came to the conclusion that both were at fault to some degree. I did tell my son that I fully believe that his friend is like most other new riders, and he was riding in a manner that he was not experienced enough to handle. Not to mention, that he was doing it in an area that most of us would be extra cautious.

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Sorry for your son's loss, but how was the guy in the car at fault? From what I gather the only thing he did "wrong" was not be able to judge how fast the bike was going and for that matter, maybe he didn't see the bike as the reports are the bike was going in and out of cars at 100mph so he probably came out of nowhere.

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In a car if you look and the person on the bike is not there, then you pull out and the bike smashes into to you because he's going 100 mph in my opinion it's not the person it the cars fault.

Scenario... I'm at a stop sign in my truck and I look to pull out There is a light coming that is a quarter mile away. The road I'm pulling out onto is lets say 45 mph zone. Even if the light coming is doing 60 I still have time. But if the light coming is doing 100 mph or more it's difficult to tell.

Depth perception comes into play on both parties fault. The guy in the car doesn't realize how fast the little light is coming / moving towards him. The guy on the bike doesn't feel like he's going that fast because he's in a time warp on his land missile.

There is a time and a place to go fast. The older I get the more I realize the street is not that place.

It's a shame some don't figure this out until the moment of impact.

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