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post #1 of 7 (permalink) Old 01-18-2004, 04:23 PM Thread Starter
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I was talking to someone on here on another trend and I believe big brother is watching us. Ever since 9/11 I think rights are slowly being taken away from us. They are trying to take our guns away from us and we get harassed at airports. I saw on the news that security harassed a 3 yr old girl because she had sandals on. I think that's too far. We also have cameras at intersections watching our moves. I think Government it getting to big. The stuff people have to go threw to get a gun is stupid. if someone wants one that bad, they can get one off the streets. Our schools are also going down the tubs, and we give more money to them. So if we send our kid to a private school we have to pay for that plus the public school coming out of our taxes. We are being taxed to death and because of that both parents have to work to make ends meet. We have two candy factories leaving the area because it's cheaper to make it somewhere else, more lost jobs because of it. We have to be careful about what we say because we might upset someone. We can't use God at all, but if we went to Iran or something we would have to see their religion stuff, I don't mind, it's what they believe; it's there country. I had a friend whose daughter almost kicked out of a pubic school because she prayed before she ate her lunch. She didn't bug anyone, and she prayed to her self. She just bowed down and that's it. I can't have a "I'm Proud to be in the U.S.A" at work because I might offend someone. I'm so sick of it. Are we really free? do we have the freedom to do what we want? Hang up what we want? They even want to ban smoking in our own homes. What's next? No beer in our own homes? I can go on and on, but what do you think?

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post #2 of 7 (permalink) Old 01-18-2004, 06:29 PM
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Let's see, I'm almost 48. I know I'm not the oldest around here, but we have been moving to a more restrictive society for decades. We have less privacy, less personal freedom and more restrictions. 911 is the best thing that happened to/for the ultra right wing.

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I agree with much of what you say but can you expand on "schools are going down the tubes". I can tell you that in my home town and around here I am seeing schools better than ever with better qualified teachers than ever. Students have better choices of curriculum and more opportunities.

It has been shown repeatedly that dollars spent on education are repayed several times over in reduced crime.

As far as liberties, they are eroding. The thing I don't understand is that many of those preaching smaller government are right in line to promote more restrictions to personal freedom.

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Oh, I tend to agree with Dave on the school thing. I know there are areas with problems, but in general my kids (both sets) have access to better facilities, teachers (maybe, some of my old teachers were great), courses, etc. They definitely come home with more work than I ever had. Funny, till I had kids I never thought about buying a house based on a school district. Now it's a prime consideration as I am somewhat opposed to private schools.

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One of the guys I work with broght a book from his kids school and it had how people had 2 mommies or 2 daddies, stuff I don't see why we need to teach kids, I have nothing agaist gay or anything, but there are more important things to learn, like MLK Jr. or how this country was founded. I started to learn fractions about 6th grade, I see this guy I work with, his kids didn't start untill High school, Chicago public schools. I'm not sure of the subs.

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Are we really free?
No...

This is the essence of ALL our CLSB debates in some way shape or form...

This site exists, thats enough freedom for me

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I agree with much of what you say but can you expand on "schools are going down the tubes". I can tell you that in my home town and around here I am seeing schools better than ever with better qualified teachers than ever. Students have better choices of curriculum and more opportunities.
I agree here, our schools are getting much better. My sister and brother-in-law are both teachers w/ a combination of 4 masters degrees. As far as real world experiences go... thats another story. I wanted to be a teacher for a long long time, I have recently decided against it because under the present circumstances I can't "jump through all the hoops" to get there. But, I think I can bring a ton of real world experience into a classroom. #1 thing to teach young people, especially high schoolers... CREDIT!!! I have seen so many burdened to death because they don't understand it.

Now, when the only thing that makes the news every year is the "inner" city schools and how badly they are doing, this send out a false sense to people who devour this "state of emergency, " the media gives us, liberal or conservative, they all sing the same song.
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