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post #1 of 51 (permalink) Old 02-07-2004, 10:33 AM Thread Starter
 
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Buying a new PC...what to get

I finally can't stand my '98 Gateway Solo Laptop. painfully slow describes it best (WIN 98, 233Mhz P1, 2GB HD, 64 MB RAM, and no CD-RW)


So.... I was looking at Dells, Gateways, HP's and Compaqs. My preference in Dell because I can customize it better for the same price. I want to spend under $1000... yet I want a descent video card (to play games wiht my friend), and a CD/DVD burner. I can live with a cheap 17" monitor, cheap audio card, basic software package, I really like the Dell 8300 but it comes in at $1200 shipped. But it's pretty well eqipped. I want ot computer ot be useable for another 4 years so I'm guessing it's best ot spend a little extra for the P4 with the faster 800 FSB, and get extra RAM.

The Dell 8300 comes with 3.0Mhz P4 (800FSB), 1Gb RAM, 80Gb HD, 16 x DVD ROM, 8x DVD-RW/48xCD-RW combo drive, 128Mb Videocard, 17" CRT monitor, cheap speakers, cheap sound card, basic 10/100 ethernet card.

If I go cheaper... at $950 I lose the DVD-RW, the 533Mhz FSB on the P4 chip, and only 512 MB RAM. Is this a reasonable compormise for $250 or will I be kicking myself for a long time.


Any recomendations are appreciated. Gateway has similar machines, but usually gives up one component to the Dell for the same price.
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Do you need to burn DVD's, or would CD's be fine for you? Ram is always a good investment, you could never have too much, especially when playing some of those high end games. I don't think you'd notice the difference in the speed with FSB.

I would spend the extra $250 myself for the upgrades you mentioned. So $250 for a DVD burner and the extra 500MB Ram is worth it to me. I 'm thinking about getting a new PC myself, and I think $1200.00 for that system is a good price.

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I bought a DELL about a year ago and havent had any problems with it. Not sure thats the advice you were looking for but..A vote for DELL nonetheless.

crap do computers change quick. Mine is so outdated compared to what your talking about.

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build one... or have someone you konw do it... Much cheaper. I'll build you one.
Hmmm.... what can you spec me for around $900 with a monitor? Do you have a site with a list of component prices so I could spec one out??? I still would need software... but pretty much the basics.... XP Home or ideally Professional and I don;t really need MS Office... I have 2000 Professional on the laptop that I can keep using for now.... for as little as I need it.

Does software that worked on Win 98 such as photoshop, PC games, etc. do those still run on XP? I assume yes.
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Pirate.. are you gonna be at Rick's place tonight. Hell maybe I'll just give Rick a few hundred bucks for one of his paperweights and upgrade what I need upgraded.... haha.
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I built mine in college , and it saved me a lot of money. PLus at the time I was around a zillion people who could help me if something went wrong beyond my knowledge-- it was like living in free tech support. But now I don't really have that luxury....I bought a Dell. After having them at work and getting such great support, I got one for my home. With all the deals, they also threw in four years of free support. You can beat that-- ease of use is difinitely worth something.

Side now-- the flat panels are great, but if you have a little extra, I'd get the upgraded LCD.
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If you build one, shop carefully. It's not that easy to beat the prices you can get if you catch one of the many Dell specials these days. They have great sales on a regular basis, and you get a warranty.

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If your dead set on intel as a processor you should wait til the 64bit chips to hit the market. Amd already have theirs out on the market.

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If you can do the support just build it yourself. Most of the big pc makers don't really use top of the line components in there systems 'just a way to cut overhead'. Sorry, I just don't think to highly of Dell, Gateway and the rest of them. You should take a look at newegg.com to price things out.


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Dude...........get a DELL

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Sorry, I just don't think to highly of Dell, Gateway and the rest of them. You should take a look at newegg.com to price things out.

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Cherry, build it yourself. You'd get exactly what you want at a lower price and WITHOUT the proprietary programs Gateway, Dell, Comcrap, Sony, HP and the other put on it.
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Are you looking for desktop PC or a laptop?

I bought a Dell laptop a little over a year ago, serves me well (considering how much I use it for work as well).

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Cherry, build it yourself. You'd get exactly what you want at a lower price and WITHOUT the proprietary programs Gateway, Dell, Comcrap, Sony, HP and the other put on it.
Since when does Dell put on proprietary software?

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Stop by Microcenter at the corner of Ogden & Cass in Downers Grove. They sell barebones systems for under $300. Add the few pieces that you can't live without, and BAM. I just built a p4 2.8ghz 800mhz FSB with 512 RAM and a 128MB video card for $540. Add a DVD burner for $100, double the memory for another $125 (or less), and I always recommend people drop a minimum of $250 for a monitor. Your monitor is your main interaction with your computer. If you're not happy with it, you won't be happy with your machine regardless of how the machine performs. If you absolutely must cut costs... there are crappy 17" monitors you can find for around $50.

I personally bought a Syncmaster 175v for just shy of $300, and am extremely happy with it.
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I always recommend people drop a minimum of $250 for a monitor. Your monitor is your main interaction with your computer. If you're not happy with it, you won't be happy with your machine regardless of how the machine performs.
I can't agree more.

That price for the Dell is very good. Grab it now. Building your own PC is a time consuming project. I only recommend it for those who have always wanted to build one and really enjoy computers.
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I'm a little hesitant to get an AMD processor. My dad bought a mid level gatewy with one a few years back and many of the hardware components were incompatible with it.... it was a disaster. THe power supply was replaced twice alng wiht several other components and it still never worked right.
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Stop by Microcenter at the corner of Ogden & Cass in Downers Grove. They sell barebones systems for under $300. Add the few pieces that you can't live without, and BAM. I just built a p4 2.8ghz 800mhz FSB with 512 RAM and a 128MB video card for $540. Add a DVD burner for $100, double the memory for another $125 (or less), and I always recommend people drop a minimum of $250 for a monitor.
That's all great.... but OTD I'm back up to $1000... does that include the operating system??? or do I still need to spend another $300 on that.
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I'm a little hesitant to get an AMD processor. My dad bought a mid level gatewy with one a few years back and many of the hardware components were incompatible with it.... it was a disaster. THe power supply was replaced twice alng wiht several other components and it still never worked right.
It's not the AMD processor it's just that Gateway uses mid-level components. It sounds more like Gateway used a pos mobo in that pc. It all comes down to using the best components. Most of the time your problems will stem from using a crappy mobo '
compatibility issues'. Always start with a reliable mobo from an established mobo maker and on down from there. I hope u have better luck this time.


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That's all great.... but OTD I'm back up to $1000... does that include the operating system??? or do I still need to spend another $300 on that.
There are places you can get XP home for $79 and XP Pro for $149 and those are full versions. Just got to buy a piece of hardeware with it.
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another dell

I just bought 2 dell PowerEdge 400SC's.

one from www.delloutlet.com and the other from ebay

one from dell $405 +99ship +tax= $550~
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software not included;but i have that

One from Ebay $300 +69 ship+ 10 Ins
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Sure the hell beets my 400mhz PII
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Since I had to show my aunt how to set up her email program for her new Dell. Although it wasnt as bad a Comcrap.
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That's all great.... but OTD I'm back up to $1000... does that include the operating system??? or do I still need to spend another $300 on that.
Are you looking to get the cpu, monitor, keyboard, mouse and os for $1,000? Ebay link or just cut & paste:
http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...sort=3&rows=50

I think they have some of the best prices on ebay. Check it out & let me know what you think.



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Since I had to show my aunt how to set up her email program for her new Dell. Although it wasnt as bad a Comcrap.
I have bought multiple systems from Dell and never had proprietary software installed.

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The specs on the AMD 64 bit chip are killer, but like others I've had too many problems with AMD chip based systems locking up. Just get a good box, but drop your big bucks on the monitor. After I threw a 20" dell flat panel on my PC it was like I got a whole new machine.

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Well I talked to Kevin (Jughead) and he straitened my out as to what upgrades were worth having and which aren't. Considering I'm using a 233Mhz P1 now with a 12" viewable screen, anything I get will be blazing and bigger.

I ordered a Dell 4600 with 2.8Ghz P4 (533FSB), 512MB, 40GB HD, 17" Screen, the 128MB Geforce Video card, a 16x DVD-ROM, and a 48X CD-RW.

I deceided that I was will to save $300 and give up the faster 800Mhz FSB, extra RAM, HD size and DVD burner. I can always upgrade the Optical drive, hard drive and RAM pretty easily... and Kevin said the difference between a the two processors won;t be very noticeable.
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For people who don't want to bother with the insides of a computer at all, Dell isn't a bad deal especially when you consider the extra hand holding you will get if you need it.

Lately, I've taken to upgrading the bare bones systems like someone mentioned above... you can tweak them the way you want. I"ve used newegg a couple of times with good results and prices as well.

Now is kind of a funny time for pc's, the hardware has pretty much caught up with the software and you don't have to have the latest fastest chip to do what you want unless you are really using high end gaming or CAD style programs... My pc has been setup like it is for about 3 years now, aside from adding some hard drive space, Its still very useful I can burn cd's capture and edit video,music whatever.

If you don't have to have the absloute latest thing you can save big $$ and the new stuff will be outdated in a year or so anyway.. .
Another thing to consider about the DVD burner is that their capacity makes them an option for system backups as well,
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Build one your self. Mine statrted out 3 years ago as a compaq and now not a single piece is oem.

Basicly I got generic no name case with front USB and 1394 ports, asus a7v333 mother board with USB 2.0, AMD XP 1600 (soon to be upgraded to XP 2700, 512 PC2700 DDR 89 gig wD hard drive, built in audio G Force (don't remember which one ) video card, cd burner, dvd drive(soon to be dvd burner cheap noe $199 or so) i probably spent leass than $700 or so doing it all. I will never by a "preconfigured" computer again. WAY to much useless software (the first i do when a family meber gets a new pC is go over there and delete all the crap on it. That's why i beleive basic win 2000 or XP bought seperatly is the way to go)

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Slots: 1x AGP 8X, 6x PCI
Ports: 2xPS2,1xLPT,1xCOM,8xUSB2.0(Rear 4),Audio Ports
Onboard Audio: AD1985 6-Channel Codec
Onboard Video: Intel Extreme Graphics 2
Onboard LAN: 10/100Mbps Fast Ethernet
Onboard SATA: 2x Serial ATA
Form Factor: ATX more info>
N82E16813121190 $99.00
$99.00

Processors
Intel Pentium 4 1.8A 400MHz FSB, 512K Cache - OEM
Specification
Model: Intel Pentium 4 1.8A
Core: Northwood
Operating Frequency: 1.8GHz
FSB: 400MHz
Cache: L1/12K+8K; L2/512K
Voltage: 1.5V
Process: 0.13Micron
Socket: Socket 478
Multimedia Instruction: MMX, SSE, SSE2
Packaging: OEM(Processor Only) more info>
N82E16819116135 $111.00
$111.00

Extend my Standard Warranty on the above qualified items: $33.60


Subtotal » $560.00
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Grand Total » $ 560.00


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