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are there any reasons i may be denyed unemployment

hi,
long story behind the reason for this question
" If i get fired, am I garanteed unemployment compensation or not?"
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Nope, they can contest it and then its your word against theres.




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Kim can give you some feedback on this too...

When you try to get unemployment, there will be a hearing. If you get fired for gross misconduct (excessive tardiness/absenteeism, harrassement, fighting, insubordination, etc. or anything else that's defined by your company handbook or policy as misconduct) you will likely loose that hearing, and then you will not get unemployment.

If you are fired for poor job performance, however, in the state of Illinois (an employee friendly state) you will likely still get unemployment because the idea is that you tried.
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Tony is right. The company can contest it.

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Under most circumstances yes. (I have too much experience in this area). Getting fired, or "let go" or "downsized" will qualify you for unemployment.

The only exceptions that I know of, is if you were fired for say, going on a shooting spree in the cafeteria, or stealing company pens. As long as you didn't get caught directly violating company policy - you're fine.

If you're like me and just don't do very good work - enjoy your check from Uncle Sam!

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Yes, you get unemployment if you are fired as long as you did not get fired for unethical/immoral or any activiity that your work permits you from doing during work hours. For example, if you get fired because you committed harassment or theft, forget getting compensation.

However, if you get fired because you could not perform the job, that is absolutely ok and you will get unemployment. If you got fired because you could not perform your job due to lack of skill sets or such, you are untitled to unemployment benefits. I am 100%+ sure of that. Know a lot of ppl that this happened to. Go to Unemployment office and try.
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i really really want to get fired. And not intentionally i have been late every day for the last 5 days and my boss just informed me of the 8 am start time that i should stick to. so if being late is considered misconduct what can i do to get "safely" fired?
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Go rent the movie Office Space. That should give you some ideas.

My advice, do something that makes your boss look like an idiot. They love that. Start disagreeing with him or her at every turn. It's even more effective to do it front of others.

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Ummm....am I the only one here that thinks you are trying to milk the system? We all pay into unemployment. Go get a job you like and stop looking for a free handout.

You must be a democrat.
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Ummm....am I the only one here that thinks you are trying to milk the system? We all pay into unemployment. Go get a job you like and stop looking for a free handout.

You must be a democrat.
in last couple of days i came across so many unfair laws and reasons for the government to collect your money that i don’t consider my desire to get fired - milking the system. it's along story but i’m sure i' d be able to convince you to take my side
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Do something legal

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i really really want to get fired. And not intentionally i have been late every day for the last 5 days and my boss just informed me of the 8 am start time that i should stick to. so if being late is considered misconduct what can i do to get "safely" fired?
If you dont like ur job, wanna get fired and collect unemployment, just dont do your work on time. Do a bad job or dont finish your work on time. Have a good attitude though cuz they might otherwise fire you for misconduct. In that sense, you will be let go cuz of poor performance and then you will get unemployment benefits. Also, just so u know, u will not get the same pay u got at ur job. Unemployment is couple of hundred bucks a month.
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Ummm....am I the only one here that thinks you are trying to milk the system? We all pay into unemployment. Go get a job you like and stop looking for a free handout.

You must be a democrat.
Mostly the company pays for unemployment. Sometimes these companies are such MOFO's that they make the work environment so stressful for you so u just quit. Sometimes they develop a hate towards you for 'whatever' reason and to get rid of you they make your job stressful, challenge you with projects you dont have knowledge about, etc... . Its a Bad Ass Game buddy! Personally, I prefer working but if it comes to the situation Jenna is in, I would punish the company by making them pay for my unemployment.
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i really really want to get fired. And not intentionally i have been late every day for the last 5 days and my boss just informed me of the 8 am start time that i should stick to. so if being late is considered misconduct what can i do to get "safely" fired?
I just went through this with my wife Anyway, there is pretty much no guarantee that they won't contest unemployment if you wre fired. You can get it still if you proove that it wasn't entirely your fault you were fired. My wife was asked to do something that would legally implicate her in a lawsuit and was told if she didn't do it she'd be forced to quit. She refused to quit and refused to do it. They had to fire her. She wrote up her side of the story and had her supervisor and some witnesses sign it. When she went to unemployment she had no problem filing because of the documentation, however, it is still no guarantee he won't contest it. With the documentation it will be hard for him to do it though.

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Re: Do something legal

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If you dont like ur job, wanna get fired and collect unemployment, just dont do your work on time. Do a bad job or dont finish your work on time. Have a good attitude though cuz they might otherwise fire you for misconduct. In that sense, you will be let go cuz of poor performance and then you will get unemployment benefits. Also, just so u know, u will not get the same pay u got at ur job. Unemployment is couple of hundred bucks a month.
i understand that unemployment compensation amount is not the same thing i'm making now. that's just logical.
all i want is to take a break for 2 or 3 weeks.
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Im sure there is more to the story, I just hope you don't plan to sit on your butt for 6 months collecting unemployment.

I couldn't. Id work at HD or somewhere to keep me sane.
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Sounds like a very sad situation. Unemployment is not a good substitute for a job. Dealing with the beaurocracy sucks. And, it's propbably just a fraction of what you're worth. Also, it's tough on the self respect. Try everything you can to land a job before you leave this one. Even if that one is only going to be temporary. Good luck.

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I'm not advocating any system milking...but shat happens. Been there, done that. If you know you want out, and you need a little head clearing (or just some income to suppliment your job search) then utilize unemployment. That's why it's there.

My guess is your boss already suspects you won't be there in a month or two, so now you're both playing the "will she quit? Or do I need to fire her?" game. Quitting gets you nothing. Getting fired - under good terms, gets you $316 a week (after taxes if you're single without kids).

Still, the BEST solution is to start jobshopping asap. If you can find something else right away, then you can quit and take a few weeks off knowing you'll be back in the workforce in a few weeks.

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my boss doesn't pay overtime. the extra hours we work go to comp time. Company’s financial situation is not the best at the moment, so everyone who leaves or gets fired/layed off is not given their comp time. one of the last people who left the company reported the situation of basically being ripped off to the department of labor. we have received a letter informing us of an upcoming audit. I know we'll end up paying a huge fine ( that happened couple of years ago).
Can i somehow use the above described situation to my advantage.
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Im sure there is more to the story, I just hope you don't plan to sit on your butt for 6 months collecting unemployment.

I couldn't. Id work at HD or somewhere to keep me sane.
i've lived with a boyfriend who was on unemployment for a long time. i tend not to respect people who take advantage of free money and sit on the butts and do nothing.
all i want is a 3 week vacation clear my head ...
people in europe get 4 week payed vacations. why cant i
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i've lived with a boyfriend who was on unemployment for a long time. i tend not to respect people who take advantage of free money and sit on the butts and do nothing.
all i want is a 3 week vacation clear my head ...
people in europe get 4 week payed vacations. why cant i
Because this is not Europe. Your happiness is not the responsibility of your employer. If you don't like your job, you should find another one more to your liking. Neither the government nor your employer "owe" you because you don't like your job. I'd suggest getting your resume together, think about what your "ideal job" would be, then go out and find it.

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why not just use your comp time to stay at home and find another job? Comp time isn't comp time if you can't use it. Take a couple days off to work on the resume, get it out to people/ headhunters.

How long have you been there? You want to leave on clean enough terms so you can put it on your resume if you've been there for more than a couple months. The gap in employment looks worse than a 6-8 month stay at a job.

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why not just use your comp time to stay at home and find another job? Comp time isn't comp time if you can't use it.

no , i can't take comp time. That's why we are being audited.
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Underdog.....you disappoint me bro. I know you said you're not advocating this but that's not what unemployment is there for nor is it what it was originally designed for.

Jenya....think about this. Taking unemployment in your case is basically you asking the rest of us to give you money to "clear your head" How about you save 2-3 weeks salary and try to take a non-paid vacation??? You wouldn't pay me to clear my head would you???? This is the real world and sometimes things get tough. If it were me I'd feel like a real loser getting fired on purpose and letting everyone else pay my way.

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It isn't harsh Kim....

First it was....
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all i want is to take a break for 2 or 3 weeks.
Now its...
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all i want is a 3 week vacation clear my head ...
Next it will be 4 weeks....
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Sorry Jenya....Kim's right///your employer doesn't owe you anything with that attitude. You should have quit long ago if you were treated poorly.

BTW....I get 6 paid weeks of vacation. I worked my as% off for 12 years though to get that. A lot of US corporations pay 4 weeks vaca after just 2 years.
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i am satisfied with the answers i got to my original question. THANKs
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Didn't mean to disappoint ya Brian!

All I'm saying is that I've had some circumstances in which I found myself in a similar situation to Jenyas. I like to think that my reasons were justified at the time, and there's a good chance I'd do the same if faced with that scenario in the future.

The way I see it, I've been working pretty much constantly since I was 8 years old, and actively contributing to Unemployment since I was 15. I like to think that the 6 U/E checks I cashed on separate occasions were MORE than paid for by yours truly! Feel free to disagree.

It's no crutch, and few experiences in life are as humbling as standing in the U/E line. However, if you've thought long and hard about it - and you have a plan to get off it. I say go nuts.

I do appreciate where some of you are coming from. All I can say is I've been blindsided enough times to know that we aren't all so lucky.

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I’m going with Underdog on this one. I was in a situation where the workplace was hostile. Even, though I did my best to make good on the situation, it was still a sinking ship. In the end, my employer and I decided to part ways and I was grateful that the safety net was there.

I understand what Jenya is going through. There comes a point where the wind is taken out of your sails and you need a little time to find your barring.

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I’m going with Underdog on this one. I was in a situation where the workplace was hostile. Even, though I did my best to make good on the situation, it was still a sinking ship. In the end, my employer and I decided to part ways and I was grateful that the safety net was there.

I understand what Jenya is going through. There comes a point where the wind is taken out of your sails and you need a little time to find your barring.
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funny. according to some of u i am considered a losser for wanting my employer, who owes me more than 40 hours comp time (which i will never see) to agree to pay me unemployemnt for 2 or 3 weeks.
i just wants what's minez
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You must be a democrat.
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