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Wonderfull write-up in the Sun Times....

Lets just say all sportbikes got lumped together on this..

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did you read the part where it says it takes a motorcycle longer to stop than a car? where the hell did this guy get his education heh

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did you read the part where it says it takes a motorcycle longer to stop than a car? where the hell did this guy get his education heh
go easy on her - it's a woman writing the article
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still an idiot. she needs to do her homework before stating such crap. if she know about CLSB she would know all riders arn't squids

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did you read the part where it says it takes a motorcycle longer to stop than a car? where the hell did this guy get his education heh

Well I happen to agree with her about the car / motorcycle stop thing. I dont see a bike stopping faster than a car, maybe I am wrong, topping off the loosing control thing at those speeds. To bad all of the T-Shirt, Flip-Flop, Glasses on their foreheads, Shorts wearing morons give a great club like CLSB a " bad name" ... Peeps out there dont know the difference, so I see it a our obligation to educate them that all bikers are not the same by respecting the Cage and their space and by driving responsibily by not being lane splitting, cuttin off, wheelie in their lane goof balls. Just my .02

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if going the same speed, a bike can stop in about half the distance it takes a car to stop due to weight. its all a matter of physics

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if going the same speed, a bike can stop in about half the distance it takes a car to stop due to weight. its all a matter of physics

I dont agree, but I am no physics major. are U ? All I am saying is that I see her point... she has a valid points besides the braking thing...

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no and if something happens I'm not gona feel sorry. Its a choice we all make. I choose gear.

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no and if something happens I'm not gona feel sorry. Its a choice we all make. I choose gear.

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Ok in reading the article I agree with her. As auto drivers we need to look out for motorcyclests (sp) Well duh weather they are the nitwits she describes or a good rider properly geard up and obeying all the traffic laws, we should all look out for riders. Due to the lack of paying attention, talking on the cell phone, yelling at the kids, tuning the radio singing to your favorite some, or posing for the chickie in the car next to ya. Who doesn't have time to look out. Its a 2 way street and this lady needs to realize the cars are as much at fault as the riders.

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I dont agree, but I am no physics major. are U ? All I am saying is that I see her point... she has a valid points besides the braking thing...
very valid, but the way the article is wrote up it is saying all motorcycle riders are like this when i would guess the majority is not. hell if it wern't for my gear i would be dead right now. her choice of words were poorly choosen i think

and no i'm no physics major and i don't wanna argue the point but a motorcycle can stop faster than a car, just like a car can stop faster than a truck and a truck a train etc the heavier you are the longer it will take to stop the momentum.

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"If you'll look at any road test of a current production motorcycle you'll see that stopping distances from 60 mph are typically 120 - 140 feet. Cages are frequently in the 150 - 180 foot range."

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My response, sent in a couple minutes ago:

Dear Editor:

Today I read the other views editorial by Ms. Baldacci found here. http://www.suntimes.com/output/other...dt-bald02.html

While it does bring some valid points (no safety gear, excessive speed), it is full of inaccuracies, right from the first point (hear them before you see them). The Hurtt study, the basis for motorcycle accidents, shows that 40% of all car to motorcycle accidents are caused by a CAR making a left hand turn in FRONT of a motorcycle. The car driver gives the classic 'couldn't see them' line and gets a failure to yield. Motorcyclist gets: destroyed vehicle and a trip in the ambulance (if he's lucky, sometimes it's a hearse).

Clearly not looking out for themselves or passengers? How many readers (or writers) travel at half of these 'insane' speeds while flipping through radio stations, drinking coffee, searching for CDs, or the ever popular cell phone search/calling? THEY are clearly not looking out for themselves or their passengers (who are often their children). Check out your next traffic jam at some non rush hour time, odds are it's caused by a rear end collision from an unattentive car driver. The motorcyclist is focused on the road, cars in front of them, potholes, debris that most car drivers ignore.

Bikes take longer to stop than a car? I would LOVE to see where she got this fact. The average sportbike, from 60 mile per hour can stop in 125 feet in 'ideal' conditions (per Cycle World magazine). What is the average car stopping distance? Closer to 180 feet, NOT counting 'thinking' distance of 60 feet, that is assuming both the motorcyclist and the car driver are paying attention to the road. Source: http://www.hintsandthings.com/garage/stopmph.htm

One thing I do agree with her on is that car drivers MUST start looking for ALL motorcylists. Even with full protective leathers and helmet, nothing will prevent serious harm or death if a car hits a biker (or pedestrian) at 30 or 40 miles per hour. However, most car drivers can rest assured that they will not be punished too harshly if they kill a biker, even if they have repeated moving violations (just ask Bill Janklow from South Dakota). Hopefully, the AMA's Justice for All campaign will result in tougher penalties for those who kill motorcyclists.

It is obvious that I spent more time compiling information to write this email than Ms. Baldacci did to write her published article (all of about 15 minutes.) I would be interested to read what others say about her article.

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very nicely written


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Dear Editor:

Today I read the other views editorial by Ms. Baldacci found here. http://www.suntimes.com/output/other...dt-bald02.html

While it does bring some valid points (no safety gear, excessive speed), it is full of inaccuracies, right from the first point (hear them before you see them). The Hurtt study, the basis for motorcycle accidents, shows that 40% of all car to motorcycle accidents are caused by a CAR making a left hand turn in FRONT of a motorcycle. The car driver gives the classic 'couldn't see them' line and gets a failure to yield. Motorcyclist gets: destroyed vehicle and a trip in the ambulance (if he's lucky, sometimes it's a hearse).

Clearly not looking out for themselves or passengers? How many readers (or writers) travel at half of these 'insane' speeds while flipping through radio stations, drinking coffee, searching for CDs, or the ever popular cell phone search/calling? THEY are clearly not looking out for themselves or their passengers (who are often their children). Check out your next traffic jam at some non rush hour time, odds are it's caused by a rear end collision from an unattentive car driver. The motorcyclist is focused on the road, cars in front of them, potholes, debris that most car drivers ignore.

Bikes take longer to stop than a car? I would LOVE to see where she got this fact. The average sportbike, from 60 mile per hour can stop in 125 feet in 'ideal' conditions (per Cycle World magazine). What is the average car stopping distance? Closer to 180 feet, NOT counting 'thinking' distance of 60 feet, that is assuming both the motorcyclist and the car driver are paying attention to the road. Source: http://www.hintsandthings.com/garage/stopmph.htm

One thing I do agree with her on is that car drivers MUST start looking for ALL motorcylists. Even with full protective leathers and helmet, nothing will prevent serious harm or death if a car hits a biker (or pedestrian) at 30 or 40 miles per hour. However, most car drivers can rest assured that they will not be punished too harshly if they kill a biker, even if they have repeated moving violations (just ask Bill Janklow from South Dakota). Hopefully, the AMA's Justice for All campaign will result in tougher penalties for those who kill motorcyclists.

It is obvious that I spent more time compiling information to write this email than Ms. Baldacci did to write her published article (all of about 15 minutes.) I would be interested to read what others say about her article.

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Well I happen to agree with her about the car / motorcycle stop thing. I dont see a bike stopping faster than a car, maybe I am wrong, topping off the loosing control thing at those speeds.
If I remember correctly, back in '97 a YZF600R could stopped in 105 feet from 60. That matches the best high performance cars in the world. Keep in mind also, the fast a bike goes, the advantage in stopping increases due to wind drag haveing a greater effect on the bike. I imagine today, most sportbikes with a skilled rider on clean dry pavemtn can stop in less than 100 feet... but the car does have an advantage if the pavement is slippery.

Bikes also have the disadvantage of not being able to manauver as easily while brakinng compared ot a sportscar. Bieks actually have a slower turn in because they must physically lean over.... however, they make up for this disadvantage by trail braking (partial braking while leaning into a turn)
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...As for the article... I'm glad I never had he writting class in school (she's a teacher). It' snot very well wriottne, and just sounds like a loosely organized rant.

There's almost no objective fact other than the descriptions of their clothing.

I must agree, I've seen these riders before and they annoy me too, but she's making broad generalizations. I give her a C- on this assignment (she at least spelled everything correctly).
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I imagine today, most sportbikes with a skilled rider on clean dry pavemtn can stop in less than 100 feet...
I guess my thought is " skilled " rider...... I cant say that a flip flop wearing, T-Shirt Bearing, eye glasses on his forehead, Shorts loving rider ....can be considered skilled. ??? But if the numbers say different , I stand humbly corrected.

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If I remember correctly, back in '97 a YZF600R could stopped in 105 feet from 60.

And some of the higher end superbike platforms (YZF750R/SP, RC45, GSXR750, ZX7RR) can stop even faster. Hell a 04 Vette takes 123ft to stop from 60. (Z06 113)

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What a piece of crap. I have read third grader web blogs that were more articulate than that article.

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Almost every single time I go riding, I wear my leathers, boots, gloves, and helmet. The generalizations, and admitting that she generalized, was absolutely irritating. That and her "facts."
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very well written, grover...after reading her pathetic attempt of preaching bullshit, i wanted to do the same thing...non-motorcyclists cannot write articles like this...they have no idea how wonderful a hobby/sport/freedom it is...and, it shows how most people reflect on the negative aspects of motorcycling...when's the last time you read an editorial, praising sportbikes, adding in all the benifits of owning one...it's BS!!!
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my thoughts

Well reading the article sorry work for a teacher. She put in way all motocyclists do the same thing. She call herself a teacher. She should know better to do better reseach then that. She may have almost hit biker and it scare the crap out her. So she mad at motorcycles.

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Although Grover, you were far nicer about it than I was.D

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And some of the higher end superbike platforms (YZF750R/SP, RC45, GSXR750, ZX7RR) can stop even faster. Hell a 04 Vette takes 123ft to stop from 60. (Z06 113)
You probably need to add some buffer for real-world situations. Any idiot in a car with decent technology (ABS, EBD etc) can get optimum braking & control by simply hitting the brake pedal. To reach the bike's potential, the rider must be both able and willing to push the bike to the limit, let's say within 1% brake power of locking up both wheels.. So, I would guess subtract at least 10% for skilled riders compared to track tests, maybe 25% on average (I'll probably hit 35% at least). But cars should be pretty much the same as what's achieved on the track, so that should put 'em both in the same ballpark..???
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In all the in that article......this floored me the most:

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disregard for the law? Funny, if you're doing 70 on a Chi-town freeway, you're 15 over the limit......who the fuck is she trying to kid with that crap?
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Nice response to her "letter" Now you know why I hate the expressways, with people like her piloting the freeways, you really want to share a road with them? I wonder if she was the one driving the minivan last Thursday, making a left off of Mudhank on to Higgins, forcing me to take evasive actions so I wouldn't be forced off the road at 50 MPH, oh yes.....she had that damn cell phone stuck to her ear.

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