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post #1 of 24 (permalink) Old 07-09-2004, 10:07 AM
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I didn't give "The Talk" when I should have

A few friends and I went for a ride last night and the one guy (who's my neighbor) just bought a brand new ZX636. Poor kid is scary to watch ride a motorcycle. He even took a motorcycle safety class. The guy rides around with his elbows locked and has no concept of what it means to lean a motorcycle.

So we hit this twisty road last night out towards Dyer Indiana. We pass a couple cars and dive into a nice left hand sweeper, and then a right hand sweeper, get up to route 30 and Mike isn't there.

Basically we go into twisties and come out, Mike doesn't

So this lady comes up behind us in her car and is yelling at us. BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH! YA know. So we figure out that she's telling us our buddy crashed. He went down in the first curve.

So freak out mode is in full affect now, We're thinking the worse case scenario. On our way back down the road we are searching everywhere in the ditches and trees. Finally we come up to the first curve and there he is sitting in the ditch. Road rash on both fore arms, but alive and well with no broken bones. He's blaming it all on a car cutting him off, but by the looks of the crash he target fixated and didn't lean.

So the moral of my story is, if you're sure you're riding with someone at a very low skill level try give and them a talk. I should have gave him a talk to not ride over his head.

I mean Jesus Christ, If I was him I wouldn't try and chase me. Does that make sense?

I wish I would have not gone through those Curves as fast as I did because he wouldn't have crashed

I feal sorry for the guy.
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post #2 of 24 (permalink) Old 07-09-2004, 10:09 AM
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Sometimes even the talks don't help. Hope he heals up quick

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He at least had gear on though, right??

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He at least had gear on though, right??

He was wearing a helmet, Thank GOD! No jacket though and he was wearing Gym shoes.

His forearms looked bloody and rashed as hell!
post #7 of 24 (permalink) Old 07-09-2004, 10:18 AM
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I'm sorry to hear about your friend but Nick, please don't beat yourself up. All we can do is educate and try to counsel people via our experience - it's up to them to exercise common sense. He did take the Safety Course, so it's not like he was a total noob.

Yes, knowing he was such a new rider, you could have held the pace down a bit but remember, your hand does not control his throttle.

Hopefully he will wear a jacket from now on. Hope he heals quickly.

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But the talk DOES help. I heard the "ride your own ride" thing for the first time this year, with stories to accompany it, and it has made a huge impression on me. As a newbie, YOU DON'T KNOW ABOUT HOW OTHERS' RIDING CAN AFFECT YOURS. I had NO IDEA about the effects others' riding has on yourself until someone educated me.

But it's hard to say something to a guy who you know rides like that. Guys' egos are fragile and it's always a freakin' pissing contest. We girls get the "ride your own ride" speech more than guys do because of this, and we're fortunate because as females, we have "license" to ride the way we want because we're not trying to prove that our balls are big.
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When we left that night to go to ribfest and I put my whole 'stich on he mention, "man that must be hot". My response, like always, I hope someday someone else will like my skin as much as I do. It's just not worth it.....plus I'd burn from the sun during the day

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First problem I see is this "just bought a brand new ZX636"

Not a wise choice for a first bike. I don't care what anyone says but I think your first bike should be some small POS that you can't push too hard and you can beat up while in the learning stage.

Back when I started off riding, jumping on that ZX636 is about equal to a 1000 or 1100. Those things have about 100HP right? Plus light as hell. Tell him to put that thing down for awhile and jump on a 500cc standard to learn on.

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you shoun't feel responsable for others crashes.. its hard, but you had no control over what he was doing on his own bike.. hope he heals up quick.

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Moparboyy,

You're just saying that because people always crash when they ride with you.

JUST KIDDING!!

"and yes, I will be serving strawberry shortcake right out of my bikini bottoms. just come on by with a spoon and scoop it out of my ass crack." ill_ag

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Sorry to hear that about the kid. The kid got extra balls so he went for it, it's no one's fault but his. For example, we went for a mini group ride last night. Met up with a n00b that i met through CLSB, his sn is Waterskii. He had just bought a RR 2 weeks ago. We took him through some twisties, on the highway, and we had NO problems whatsoever. Before we entered the twisties, i told him, go your own pace, and watch out for debris and shit like that. Now, as some of you know, im the slowest guy on the block, so i decided to be the 'ass man' and have my cousin (Leenangle) lead the pack. They went fast, Waterskii went his own pace, and i stayed waaaay back so i can let him go ahead of me and i can practice my hang-off's. When we would go fast on the freeway, he stayed back. Bottom line, he knew his limits and rode within them, and we all came back in one piece. Thanks to YOU guys, i've learned and im passing it on to the new guys. Grasshopper, you don't need to give speeches, you just need to let them know what you're gonna be doing.

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First problem I see is this "just bought a brand new ZX636"

Not a wise choice for a first bike. I don't care what anyone says but I think your first bike should be some small POS that you can't push too hard and you can beat up while in the learning stage.

Back when I started off riding, jumping on that ZX636 is about equal to a 1000 or 1100. Those things have about 100HP right? Plus light as hell. Tell him to put that thing down for awhile and jump on a 500cc standard to learn on.
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Grasshopper,

You did what you were supposed to, you lead. As a very new rider(>month) i feel i can say that.

I love when i get to ride with the experienced guys. It gives me the opportunity to observe, ask questions, and follow in foot steps. What it does not do is give me to right to keep up. My first bike is an 01' F4i, maybe not the right bike, but i know my limits and there is nothing out there that will make me step past them. Riding is fun, but when you are new you just have to learn to error on the side of caution.

As far as riding gear, I will admit that i sometimes wear shoes that aren't the greatest, but always have a helmet and gloves and will wear a leather jacket when i am riding with you guys. This has nothing to do with experience, but common sense.

He crashed and that is terrible and i hope he gets well very soon. But it was HIS crash not yours. When i ride i take responsibility for my ride. Mistakes are my mistakes.

Sorry if i am outta line on this one.

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I find it ironic that no one has said anything about Slowass's sexist comments. If those were famine comments, the sh*t would really hit the fan.



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Yep, been there done that. Then you regret it later that you didn't offer to coach him around. Don't beat yourself up over it. Next time, you might either offer to coach him or warn him not to try and keep up. Ultimately, it is his responsibility.

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What was sexist about them? It's true. Do you actually deny the fact that it's a lot harder for males to avoid the "pissing contest" aspect of riding than it is for females? Do you actually deny the fact that with greater frequency, men feel pressure to ride with their balls out more than women do? What planet are you living on?
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He crashed and that is terrible and i hope he gets well very soon. But it was HIS crash not yours. When i ride i take responsibility for my ride. Mistakes are my mistakes.

Sorry if i am outta line on this one.
This topic has been beat to death and I suppose there will never be agreement. We're not talking about RESPONSIBILITY! That one's obvious, he was the one controlling the bike.

The issue is the degree to which you acknowledge that group psychology affects the way people ride and whether more experienced riders help to PREVENT problems by making beginnners aware of this tendency AND that they will not be left behind or made fun of for riding within their limits.

As Brian said, it doesn't always work. There will always be those who don't hear or comprehend or worse, feel this is an assault to their person that must be proven wrong.

In general, I think it's a good idea for every group riding together to understand and vocalize the the assumptions they are making rather than operate "every man for himself".

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Do you actually deny the fact that with greater frequency, men feel pressure to ride with their balls out more than women do?
I have to assume this is a hypothetical question!

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What was sexist about them? It's true. Do you actually deny the fact that it's a lot harder for males to avoid the "pissing contest" aspect of riding than it is for females? Do you actually deny the fact that with greater frequency, men feel pressure to ride with their balls out more than women do? What planet are you living on?
Might I suggest that leave this conversation for another, more brutal, thread?

Also, don't beat yourself up man, you were lead rider. But next time it does help to get the talk. When I started my dad told me not to try to keep up with him, to go at my own pace. Well, when we practiced on the private road, it was tempting to keep up with him as he passed me at 100MPH, but I refrained.

So all in all, be glad he is alright and help him learn from it.

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All this talk about ballz hanging out I think is coming from msulaxer avatar. Slowass can't stop stairing at the little chipmunks nut sack

Thanks for the responses guys

I'm not tearing myself up too bad, but I would be if he was more seriously injured.

To top things off, I just went home for lunch to grab the bike and I put my jacket on and his blood is all over it. I'm talking alot of blood. I was like Holy Crap!
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