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hey TZDeSioux

Is your M3 a stick or the seq gearbox??? Im looking to buy one for the wife ( motorwerks has a silver convert with the seq gear box). she cant drive stick, and i have questions about how the other one works.

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I have the SMG (sequential manual gear). I like it alot but I would hate to see it break out of warranty. so.. what can i answer for ya?

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Nice ride Jim! FWIW I think the M3 uses the standard beemer seq which is a standard auto. Then you slide the stick over and can drive it with the +/- shifting. Sorta tip-tronic-ish.

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completely different than the standard auto or manumatic or tiptronic or whatever you want to call it. All those transmission are in reality 100% automatic since it has a torque converter. Take your foot of the brake and you roll forward. SMGII(which is currently only offered in the M3) has a real manual transmission with a clutch that is hydraullically actuated. So if you take your foot off the brake on a incline.. the car rolls back. Take your foot of the brake at a stop sign, your car stays still. Closest thing to an F1 transmission. It shifts even faster and with less lag than the Ferrari F1 transmission.

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completely different than the standard auto or manumatic or tiptronic or whatever you want to call it. All those transmission are in reality 100% automatic since it has a torque converter. Take your foot of the brake and you roll forward. SMGII(which is currently only offered in the M3) has a real manual transmission with a clutch that is hydraullically actuated. So if you take your foot off the brake on a incline.. the car rolls back. Take your foot of the brake at a stop sign, your car stays still. Closest thing to an F1 transmission. It shifts even faster and with less lag than the Ferrari F1 transmission.

the question is does it at all act like an automatic like the reg 330's or will she have to watch me and learn!
it has to be something she can figure out, she can ride a bike, but when it comes to stick shift eeeek!!!!
will it down shift automatically coming to lights and stop signs???
im sure with time she can figure it out.

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That'll teach me to open my big mouth. That's twice I've been wrong today. Dammit!

Guess one of you will just have to let me take the M3 around the block a few times so I can see this for myself. (I'd hate to risk being wrong a 3rd time!)

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It shifts even faster and with less lag than the Ferrari F1 transmission.
funny you should say that, that was my biggest complaint on the modena, i thought it took to long for it to shift

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Jim... it's really simple to use once you learn all its little quirks. If you put it in automatic mode, it will shift up and down all by itself and you can control what rpm it shifts at by A1-A5 settings. It doesn't shift smooth like an automatic. It's actually fairly jerky. In sequential mode. You have 6 settings. S1-S6. S6 is basically sport mode on with a traction control turned off. It takes some time to actually get used to the SMG as you will buck the car back and forth quite violently if you are not smooth with the throttle just like a 6 speed. I taught my wife out to drive it and after that day, she never drove it again.

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Jim... it's really simple to use once you learn all its little quirks. If you put it in automatic mode, it will shift up and down all by itself and you can control what rpm it shifts at by A1-A5 settings. It doesn't shift smooth like an automatic. It's actually fairly jerky. In sequential mode. You have 6 settings. S1-S6. S6 is basically sport mode on with a traction control turned off. It takes some time to actually get used to the SMG as you will buck the car back and forth quite violently if you are not smooth with the throttle just like a 6 speed. I taught my wife out to drive it and after that day, she never drove it again.
Excellent news, there is an auto mode on it. fairly responsive in auto? we will leave the seq gear box for me!!

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oh and one more thing.... in sequential mode, when you click off a downshift, it gives it a bit of gas to match the engine with the wheel speed. Automatic heel and toe! Sounds and feels bad as fuck when coming off of the expressway onto the exit ramp and you click off 3 rapid downshifts. It sounds like a fucking F1 car.

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yeah.. put it in A5 and the fucking thing moves out man. You'll love it. What year is the one you're looking at?

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yeah.. put it in A5 and the fucking thing moves out man. You'll love it. What year is the one you're looking at?
04 i havent pulled the trigger because ive seen in some mags that there is a big change coming for 05, but i cant confirm that, have you heard anything?

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supposedly an M4????

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we also like the 645, the more i look at it the more i like it!!

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Yeah what I'm hearing is 06 for sure. A V8 for the M3 and a new bodystyle. I'd pass on the 04 and wait for the new M3 or the new M5! As soon as the new M5 comes out and the dealers are done jacking up the price and there is no more waiting list, I'm trading my M3 in for the M5.

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Yeah M4 is what I heard too but you think BMW would move away from brand recognition like the M3 has?

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I can't believe I have such car-envy right now...

TZ take good care of your M3 will ya? I'll buy it from you when you get in line for your M5. Deal? Deal...

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Yeah M4 is what I heard too but you think BMW would move away from brand recognition like the M3 has?
well thats what i thought too, you cant abandon the M3 name.
she likes the smaller size of the M3 compared to the 5 series, though she does like the 6 series. if i could have my way id be driving a 7 series!!! LOL

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TZ take good care of your M3 will ya? I'll buy it from you when you get in line for your M5. Deal? Deal...
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have it your way and get the 7 series! Afterall.. you ARE paying for it right?

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Buy it now Jim get the 04' before they change the body style to look like the new 7 and now the new 5 series. I don't care for that newer style at all.

Love the M's, and really like the previous body style 740il, yep extended length.
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Dave... do the CLSB trackday in september bro? Lets play cat and mouse.

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have it your way and get the 7 series! Afterall.. you ARE paying for it right?
This is her toy, i get the bikes she gets the "M". im ok with that, I want the 7 for a daily driver!! but im not ready to give up the bikes just yet

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yeah it's her toy. uh huh... that's the ticket.
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Buy it now Jim get the 04' before they change the body style to look like the new 7 and now the new 5 series. I don't care for that newer style at all.

Love the M's, and really like the previous body style 740il, yep extended length.

I love the ol 7 series!!!! i almost bought a used one but didnt think it would be a practical tower!!! LOL i like the new 7's but not the new 5's Im going to hold off a little longer and see whats instore, if anything ill get a real good deal on the M3!!

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yeah it's her toy. uh huh... that's the ticket.
it will be her toy she only works 3 days a week, but im sure ill be able to drive it on the days we are both off!!

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So I know this is a bit , but thought I'd ask anyway.

When I was in school we built a racecar using a motorcycle engine. We designed a paddle shifter so we'd only have two foot pedals and your hands would always be on the wheel.

Essentially the way it worked is we had two push/pull cables. One for shifting and one for the clutch. The right hand was up shift and left hand was down shift. Pulling the top of the paddle was the clutch.

How exactly does the BMW paddle shifter work when you come to a stop or need to start? Do you have to pull both levers in to activate the hydraulic clutch?

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The hydraulic clutch is actuated automatically. You do not need to do anything. It is all controlled by the computer. There's probably sensors that he computer monitors so it knows when to actuate the clutch and when not to.

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yeah it's her toy. uh huh... that's the ticket.
What does that have to do with this thread?

But since we're off topic, so what's the deal you can't race anymore this year but you're doing a track day? Oh and bring the TZ to blackhawk this weekend, just in case my electrical gremlin isn't figured out.
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How about some race tires for Putnam first?....priorities my friend.
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