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actually it didnt raise its hand out, it popped out and the doctor tucked it back in. You make a compelling point though.


oh, and the surgery was for spina bifida.

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actually it didnt raise its hand out, it popped out and the doctor tucked it back in. You make a compelling point though.


oh, and the surgery was for spina bifida.
when I saw the tape, the hand rose up and grabed the doctors fingers. It didn't look like it popped out to me. I wish I could find it online.

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when I saw the tape, the hand rose up and grabed the doctors fingers. It didn't look like it popped out to me. I wish I could find it online.
its on snopes, man. the doctors were talked to about this and confirmed.

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its on snopes, man. the doctors were talked to about this and confirmed.
#1 you can't believe everything you read on the internt is true. I'm just saying what I saw on the tape. I saw a arm rise out on it's own and grab the doctors fingers. How could the fake it, tie a fishingline on the babies arm?

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"It has become an urban legend," says Bruner, the Vanderbilt University surgeon who fixed the spina bifida lesion on Samuel. Many people he hears from wonder whether it's a fake.

"One person said the photo had been reviewed by a team of medical experts and they had determined that it was a hoax," Bruner says with a laugh.

More commonly, people want to know how the photo came to be.

Some opponents of abortion have claimed that the baby reached through the womb and grabbed the doctor's hand.

Not true, Bruner says.

Samuel and his mother, Julie, were under anesthesia and could not move.

"The baby did not reach out," Bruner says. "The baby was anesthetized. The baby was not aware of what was going on."3

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i split this off because i let the other thread get way the hell off topic.

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"It has become an urban legend," says Bruner, the Vanderbilt University surgeon who fixed the spina bifida lesion on Samuel. Many people he hears from wonder whether it's a fake.

"One person said the photo had been reviewed by a team of medical experts and they had determined that it was a hoax," Bruner says with a laugh.

More commonly, people want to know how the photo came to be.

Some opponents of abortion have claimed that the baby reached through the womb and grabbed the doctor's hand.

Not true, Bruner says.

Samuel and his mother, Julie, were under anesthesia and could not move.

"The baby did not reach out," Bruner says. "The baby was anesthetized. The baby was not aware of what was going on."3
what's your point??? I saw the tape from start to finsih and saw it on the tv with my own eyes. I actally wish I still knew the guy who had a copy to show it to you.

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"The baby did not reach out," Bruner says. "The baby was anesthetized. The baby was not aware of what was going on."3
OK, here's another point. If the baby does not feel pain, why would it have to be anesthesized????

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nice VCook , I'm not here to argue, I'm just telling you what I saw with my eyes on the TV screen. just because snopes said it's fake, it doesn't mean it is. He can say the moon is a square, does it mean he's right?

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OK, here's another point. If the baby does not feel pain, why would it have to be anesthesized????
this isnt an abortion debate, norseman.



and if the fetus was anesthesized it cant do jack, thats my point Jimbo.

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nice VCook , I'm not here to argue, I'm just telling you what I saw with my eyes on the TV screen. just because snops said it's fake, it doesn't mean it is. He can say the moon is a square, does it mean he's right?
dude, the doctor was the one that discounted the exxaggerated stories. regardless, i think the surgery was quite impressive as spina bifida can be a horrible affliction.

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this isnt an abortion debate, norseman.



and if the fetus was anesthesized it cant do jack, thats my point Jimbo.
my point, IF and from what I saw the arm moved on its own did you see it the tape??

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my point, IF and from what I saw the arm moved on its own did you see it the tape??
you under stand what being anesthasized means right? that fetus wasnt going anywhere.


oh and this might be one of the lamest arguments ever!

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you under stand what being anesthasized means right? that fetus wasnt going anywhere.


oh and this might be one of the lamest arguments ever!
it wasn't, you're right, but the arm did and this might be the funniest argument

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it wasn't, you're right, but the arm did
i'm sure it did go somewhere. My contention is that it didnt willingly move it there, consciencely decide to do anything, or have any involvement in the moving. I think it was right time, right place, popped out thing.

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i'm sure it did go somewhere. My contention is that it didnt willingly move it there, consciencely decide to do anything, or have any involvement in the moving. I think it was right time, right place, popped out thing.
ok good point, but it GRABED the doctors finger with it's hand, explain that

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ok good pont, but it GRABED the doctors finger, explain that
dude, if you my arm flaps down and the hand is open and your wang is out I'm sure it will look like i'm grabbing it, BUT I ASSURE YOU I SURE AS HELL AINT GRABBING YOUR WANG!


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dude, if you my arm flaps down and the hand is open and your wang is out I'm sure it will look like i'm grabbing it, BUT I ASSURE YOU I SURE AS HELL AINT GRABBING YOUR WANG!


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It went up, hand was open and slowly grabed the finger and grabed. It also let go and lowed it's arm

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dude, if you my arm flaps down and the hand is open and your wang is out I'm sure it will look like i'm grabbing it, BUT I ASSURE YOU I SURE AS HELL AINT GRABBING YOUR WANG!


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It went up, hand was open and slowly grabed the finger and grabed. It also let go and lowed it's arm
thats it, i'm finding the video and also a video interview with this doctor. and also make sure you arent at bike night, cause my open hand might come flopping down and if your wang is out that makes us gay!

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dude, if you my arm flaps down and the hand is open and your wang is out I'm sure it will look like i'm grabbing it, BUT I ASSURE YOU I SURE AS HELL AINT GRABBING YOUR WANG!


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VCook, I saw the tape, you didn't. You are going by what someone said. And that's my point

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VCook, I saw the tape, you didn't. You are going by what someone said. And that's my point
this is true, but what i'm going by is what the doctor that performed the procedure said. i'd say his medical background and vantage point are a little better than ours.

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this is true, but what i'm going by is what the doctor that performed the procedure said. i'd say his medical background and vantage point are a little better than ours.
ok fine, but how do you know it was the doctor and some other doctor? Again you are going off of what someone said.

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my head hurts and this is a silly conversation! believe whatever makes you feel good inside, I'll do the same!

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my head hurts and this is a silly conversation! believe whatever makes you feel good inside, I'll do the same!
My friend also got this tape from UIC medical center, they used this tape as training and for speeches.

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OK, here's another point. If the baby does not feel pain, why would it have to be anesthesized????
By drugging the mother, they automatically drug the baby too...since they do share the same blood and oxygen supply. I'm not arguing whether or not the baby feels pain...I feel that an abortion argument really has no place on this site.
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