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I have seen this site before. I kind of like the H2. So, the site does not appeal to me. Although, one of my friends has a pic in the gallery.

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I don't care what people buy, what ever makes them happy. On the news a while ago we only get about 10-15% of our oil from the middle east anyways. IMO I think that H2 is more of a status image anyways. The people who buy them will never use for what they are built for. Then again I get 12.5 MPG (or is it gallons per mile?) in the city in my truck, so I really have no room to talk

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I'd never drive anything that says HUMMER on the back of it, or anywhere on it for that matter. Either way, they are tacky, guady eyesores, but it isn't my money being wasted on them.
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I guess I am in the minority, but I like the H2.

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This is so typical. There is a conspiracy against GM with this vehicle.

Take a look at the people who hold rallys protesting this vehicle. Who commit terror attacks by blowing these vehicles up.

Why do they hate this vehicle so much? Because it's a gas hog?

It's not the worst. The worst gas hog is the Ford Excursion. So why doesn't it get any bad flack? Or why aren't these people blowing these up at Ford dealerships?

Take a look at where Ford contributes it's donation money to and who GM does not. These people are so phony.
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This is so typical. There is a conspiracy against GM with this vehicle.

Take a look at the people who hold rallys protesting this vehicle. Who commit terror attacks by blowing these vehicles up.

Why do they hate this vehicle so much? Because it's a gas hog?

It's not the worst. The worst gas hog is the Ford Excursion. So why doesn't it get any bad flack? Or why aren't these people blowing these up at Ford dealerships?

Take a look at where Ford contributes it's donation money to and who GM does not. These people are so phony.
I agree with you on this one. I forgot the name of the group, but they burned a Hummer Dealer and they caused more polution then the Hummer makes. I think the group is called ELF???

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These are the idiots

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i'm with Revmatch on this one

you know, we can't get the high efficiency vehicles that are sold in europe because of our "high safety standards" that are a product of the amount of bloated passenger vehicles on the road

and excursions are back on the market due to the current dropped standards, they were forced out of production for a while, so hummers aren't a scapegoat or whatever, they're just a clear example of a wasteful vehicle and low emission standards for certain new vehicles

and i suppose the current administration would have a person believe that direct action groups like ELF are terrorists and all that, but if they in fact are is a bit more controversial than that (but then 'terrorist' is legally defined so vaguely that quite a bit could be considered terrorist...)
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The difference betwee nteh Hummer and the Ford Excursion is mostly about marketing. The Excusrion is not heavily marketed and designed for large families that need ot also tow heavy loads.

The Hummer is specifically marketed toward individuals that need the confidence havign a large vehicle can give you. Thye want a bigger mor prwerful image.
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Stupid ugly vehicles = SUV's

Don't get me wrong, if I have the need for a vehicle like that, I would buy it in a heartbeat. I loved when I had my truck, but I needed it for that four letter, WORK!! As soon as those projects were done, I sold the thing. It had the extended range gas tanks, over $80.00 to fill it, F__k that! I can't remember that statistic, but I think 90% of 4 wheel drive vechicles in the US are never taken off road. And I'm sure those MILFs in Barrington really need an Excursion in downtown Barrington

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I like the hummers. Your not paying for the gas so who gives a shit on gas milage. Id rather drive a SUV or Truck over a car anyday of the week...

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I like the hummers. Your not paying for the gas so who gives a shit on gas milage. Id rather drive a SUV or Truck over a car anyday of the week...
Actually we all pay for it. SUV's increase overall consumption. Sicne the Supply is often fixed, increased demand increases prices. Economics 101 my friend. IF every SUV that isn't used regularly for towing heavy loads (at least 50%), was replaced by a minivan.... I'm be willing to bet gas prices would drop by almost $0.10 or more.

Addionally, the price of petrochmicals would decrease accordingly and the cost of shipping goods would decrease.

Put simply.... the poor fuel economy of SUV's are one of the causes of inflation.

Your statement would only be true IF the price of gasiline was variable depending on vehicle size, weight or fuel consumption.


SUVs are ONLY economical and practicle when loaded with a family of 5, and towing a trailer over 5,000 lbs. Thsi occure in my estimate, less than 1% of miles driven.
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Stupid ugly vehicles = SUV's

Don't get me wrong, if I have the need for a vehicle like that, I would buy it in a heartbeat. I loved when I had my truck, but I needed it for that four letter, WORK!! As soon as those projects were done, I sold the thing. It had the extended range gas tanks, over $80.00 to fill it, F__k that!
I agree... I have no problem with work vehicles. That is an business decision which vehicle to buy. However, you'll notice that fro most businesses, SUV's are almost never economical, because a minivan can haul more persons and cargo than the average SUV, and a full size van can haul more cargo than a full size SUV. A commercial van or super duty truck is used for hauling heavy loads or trailers.

Most minivans now have optional 4WD systems. So even the argument of "I need good traction in mud and snow" isn't true anymore.
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my Land Cruiser averages 16.2 miles per gallon
my M3 averages 19 miles per gallon

I wonder what some of the V8 sports cars get for MPG.

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the question is.. who the hell wants to drive a minivan?

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What an idiotic website...

and saying what SUV's are only good for, is like saying liter bikes have no reason to be on public roads
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TZD...there's no way your LC averages 16mpg. Is that what they sticker said or are you keeping track?

Im guessing city is more like 12 and highway crusing at 70mph is 16 at best.
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TZD...there's no way your LC averages 16mpg. Is that what they sticker said or are you keeping track?

Im guessing city is more like 12 and highway crusing at 70mph is 16 at best.
It's true. I keep track of it everytime I fill up. I drive 68 miles round trip a day majority being on 90. I get about 275 miles to a tank. I believe I put in about 17 gallons each time I fill up.
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It doesn't matter who it's marketed to. I see just as many single women driving Excursions as I do Hummers. You know the ones....nobody else occupying any of rows of seats...applying makeup, chatting on cell phone, ect...

THey're all over the place. And Ford is a high paying donor to activist groups, so they get left alone. On the other hand, GM is considered "anti" to alot of those activist groups, so they are targeted.
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TZD...there's no way your LC averages 16mpg. Is that what they sticker said or are you keeping track?

Im guessing city is more like 12 and highway crusing at 70mph is 16 at best.

Actually this I do belive. If he keeps it under 70 on the freeway...in warm weather... he could get close to 17mpg. The LC uses a smaller 4.3 or 4.8L V8 with variable valve timing. Toyota has this pretty well leaned out for economy. One of their biggest marketing points is high fuel economy on their entire fleet. GM is also very good at engine designs and engine controls... but their displacements are much larger.


OTOH - a smaller 4WD Highlander of minivan can get mid 20's on hte freeway.

I think the M3 is just a bad example. The high end Acuras end Lexus sports cars can get mid 20's on the freeway.

The Corvette is well known for being capable of almost 30mpg on the freeway due to a very tall 6th gear OD and good FI programming. GM IMO has some of the best engine control systems in the business.
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Tell me that isn't the Shell gas station by Jedynka. Diversey and Central?

People take these things too seriously!
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I agree!! My mustang got about 8mpg and it saw alot of street use. Man I loved that car.

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Tell me that isn't the Shell gas station by Jedynka. Diversey and Central?
LMAO shit, i think you might be right!!
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I wonder what some of the V8 sports cars get for MPG.
My old 315hp LT1 1996 Camaro Z28/SS with a T56 6-speed manual transmission and factory 3.42 rear gear got 26-28mpg on the highway. That's only because 5th gear was .75:1 and 6th was .50:1. Two overdrive gears. City driving? That's was a different story.
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Actually we all pay for it. SUV's increase overall consumption. Sicne the Supply is often fixed, increased demand increases prices. Economics 101 my friend. IF every SUV that isn't used regularly for towing heavy loads (at least 50%), was replaced by a minivan.... I'm be willing to bet gas prices would drop by almost $0.10 or more.

Addionally, the price of petrochmicals would decrease accordingly and the cost of shipping goods would decrease.

Put simply.... the poor fuel economy of SUV's are one of the causes of inflation.

Your statement would only be true IF the price of gasiline was variable depending on vehicle size, weight or fuel consumption.


SUVs are ONLY economical and practicle when loaded with a family of 5, and towing a trailer over 5,000 lbs. Thsi occure in my estimate, less than 1% of miles driven.
sweet! because of me....you're paying more for gas! most of the time its just me in the car too! my gas mileage isn't bad at all though...i'm averaging (city and highway combined) 16.2 mpg according to the little computer thing.
as mentioned earlier....who the hell wants to drive a mini-van. i'm no soccer mom that i need a vehicle like that. i bought my trailblazer because i like the look and i like the size of it.

oh, and does driving through grass count as off-roading...cuz that's the most i've ever done with it!!!!!!!!
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sweet! because of me....you're paying more for gas! most of the time its just me in the car too! my gas mileage isn't bad at all though...i'm averaging (city and highway combined) 16.2 mpg according to the little computer thing.
as mentioned earlier....who the hell wants to drive a mini-van. i'm no soccer mom that i need a vehicle like that. i bought my trailblazer because i like the look and i like the size of it.

oh, and does driving through grass count as off-roading...cuz that's the most i've ever done with it!!!!!!!!

Congrats! You are 100% pure bred American!

Let me guess.... you're still looking for an aftermarket supercharger, because 400ft-lbs of torque isn't enough...you want to get to a freeway on-ramp and be able ot apply 200ft lbs by pushing the pedal halfway down and just "know" you have the reserve if in a rare case you might need it someday.... or god forbid... the needle passes the "3" while accelerating.
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I think you should buy what you like, it's your money. That's the great thing about living here, so much to pick from. I have any SUV, I tow a camper. full size vans have worst milage then I do. I have a 3500 van w/ a V8. It's crap in gas, and in the snow I just sit and spin my tires. A mini van can't pull my camper also, besides I HATE them. They are way over priced also. Before I had my camper, I loaded my SUV with all my camping stuff, it wouldn't fit in the Cavalier. When we tent camp, I do use my 4-wheel drive,vans don't have a 4 wheel drive for off roading, so do have a full-time 4 wheel drive, but for not where I'm going. And in a few camp grounds with my camper, I got stuck in sand, again my 4X4 came threw.
I do agree SUV's have gone to far. Do we need a BMW, Lexus, or a MB with a DVD, leather seats, eletric locking hubs, and a GPS in them?? I rather have a old K5 Blazer, a true SUV. Manual locking hubs and all. The 1st year the K5 Blazer came out, it only had a driver seat, the other 3 were an option.
I bet my SUV gets better milage then a car that some people drive thats 20-30 years old with a V6. Beisdes, gas prices would still be high if everyone drove a 4 banger. They just SUV's as an excuse.
So buy what you want and what fits your needs, don't buy
something just because everyone has one.

crap, I thing I agree with most of you guys about the idiots on the cell, putting on makeup, and yelling at the kids in SUV's AND MINI VAN'S!!!!

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