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what do you think of this?

when you see a rebal flag what does it make you think?? I'm seriously sick of all the people who think it points to hate and salvery. I seem to only get these views from people here in the "north" you so down to Mississippi and you will notice that its on there state flag, when it came up for the people to vote on a new state flag over 80% of people wanted to keep the stars and bars because it was part of there heritage. Some of you may have seen some of the shirts that i wear, some with big rebal flags on the front. You would be amazed at the looks i get from people.

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not a fan. i lived in miss. for 4 years, wasnt a fan then either.

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truthfully i think of the general lee. but school me on that flag cuz what does it represent and why do some people associate it with slavery??
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when you see a rebal flag what does it make you think?? I'm seriously sick of all the people who think it points to hate and salvery. I seem to only get these views from people here in the "north" you so down to Mississippi and you will notice that its on there state flag, when it came up for the people to vote on a new state flag over 80% of people wanted to keep the stars and bars because it was part of there heritage. Some of you may have seen some of the shirts that i wear, some with big rebal flags on the front. You would be amazed at the looks i get from people.

so i'm curious what people think.


Are you from the south (Dixie), and no I'm not talking about Beecher or Monee
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I knew we shoulda burned em all when we retook the south

It doesn't bother me, but I think it does keep a piece of American history alive that we should let die. Slavery is/was bullshit and civil war is never cool....

If the heritage it supposedly upholds is that of a divided nation, then I wish people would just let it die. It is the flag of the confereracy, isn't it?
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no offense mopar but i think the word hick comes to my mind when i see that. FYI

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I personally think that it represents a shameful moment in the history of this great country of ours. Almost 700,000 American's lost their lives in a war that was about, money, power, and states rights and partally slavery because the Southern states economy was based on slave labor.

One can be a wannabe Southern Rebel and wear the flag all they want because that is their personal choice and their personal property. I do not, will not and have successfully protested the flag being flown on government property. The flag deserves to be in museums, but not on, say a capital building next to the American flag.

Like I said in another post I grew up in the "Heart of Dixie" and the majority of the people who fly the flags and display the falg prominently are somewhat or totally racist and ignorant as well. I actually have a few rebel flag bandana's myself. I use them as shop rags...if they were softer I would wipe my ass with them.

Once again, I don't have a problem with people who personally choose to wear the flag or fly it...that is their right.

Also Moparboy, your comment about Mississippi speaks for itself. It is one of the most racist states in the country, many Black people were lynched there not so long a go and they are at the bottom of almost every category when compared to the rest of the US...especially in EDUCATION.
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America has a flag, who needs any other? It promotes division in my opinion. Is like Texas wanting to be their own country.

The negative cognotation comes from racist people making it their flag, and making it an intimidation thing. That where that flag is flown people of color are not accepted.

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no offense mopar but i think the word hick comes to my mind when i see that. FYI
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I personally think that it represents a shameful moment in the history of this great country of ours. Almost 700,000 American's lost their lives in a war that was about, money, power, and states rights and partally slavery because the Southern states economy was based on slave labor.

One can be a wannabe Southern Rebel and wear the flag all they want because that is their personal choice and their personal property. I do not, will not and have successfully protested the flag being flown on government property. The flag deserves to be in museums, but not on, say a capital building next to the American flag.

Like I said in another post I grew up in the "Heart of Dixie" and the majority of the people who fly the flags and display the falg prominently are somewhat or totally racist and ignorant as well. I actually have a few rebel flag bandana's myself. I use them as shop rags...if they were softer I would wipe my ass with them.

Once again, I don't have a problem with people who personally choose to wear the flag or fly it...that is their right.

Also Moparboy, your comment about Mississippi speaks for itself. It is one of the most racist states in the country, many Black people were lynched there not so long a go and they are at the bottom of almost every category when compared to the rest of the US...especially in EDUCATION.
that pretty much sums up my feelings too. I'm glad I didn't have to type all that

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that pretty much sums up my feelings too. I'm glad I didn't have to type all that
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SO MOPAR ARE YOU FROM THE SOUTH OR NOT?
sheesh man.. give me some time to respond.. people gots to eat lunch ya know..

and that would be a negitave.. farthest south i have lived it Monee..

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1st------i think of is a skinny white guy with fugly teeth and a somewhat skraggly beard with an old dirty ball cap on AND wearing a ragged (sleeves)torn off flannel shirt. Also has sum bacca (Chewing tobacco) drips on his lower lip to the chin.

2nd-----next thought is the General Lee flyin over a ditch.


I also like the flag. I hate when people think because something is turned to represent a bad part of our heritage it should be dismissed and forgotten. Its part of AMERICAN HERITAGE!! Live with it!! Dont throw it away because it is symbolic of slavery or oppression or whatever someone thought up! I am not RACIST so do not take this the wrong way---If it werent for that period of time (yes it was wrong) then todays descendants of people enslaved would probably not be enjoying the great USA today.
Think of that. Sure--they did not want to be here for that reason but after the abolishing of slavery i dont think too many went back either. For every bad thing there is a good thing. (Atleast i believe that)

AND yes--My family is from the south and we owned/ran tobacco fields.

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To celebrate this flag is to celebrate what it stands for. How can there be any confusion about this? That's why we have flags!
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1st------i think of is a skinny white guy with fugly teeth and a somewhat skraggly beard with an old dirty ball cap on AND wearing a ragged (sleeves)torn off flannel shirt. Also has sum bacca (Chewing tobacco) drips on his lower lip to the chin.

2nd-----next thought is the General Lee flyin over a ditch.


I also like the flag. I hate when people think because something is turned to represent a bad part of our heritage it should be dismissed and forgotten. Its part of AMERICAN HERITAGE!! Live with it!! Dont throw it away because it is symbolic of slavery or oppression or whatever someone thought up! I am not RACIST so do not take this the wrong way---If it werent for that period of time (yes it was wrong) then todays descendants of people enslaved would probably not be enjoying the great USA today.
Think of that. Sure--they did not want to be here for that reason but after the abolishing of slavery i dont think too many went back either. For every bad thing there is a good thing. (Atleast i believe that)

AND yes--My family is from the south and we owned/ran tobacco fields.

That's an interesting point of view and I respect it.

So Germans should also embrace the swastika and the Jews should just be happy that they survived the Holocaust and should move on?
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C'mon guys. You wouldn't wander around in an N'Sync T-shirt wondering why everybody's looking at you like you're an eight year old girl, would you?
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That's an interesting point of view and I respect it.

So Germans should also embrace the swastika and the Jews should just be happy that they survived the Holocaust and should move on?
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NO!! you are now talking about mass murder.
can you tell me when and where mass murder happened
in the U.S. that was tied to the rebel flag????...

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NO!! you are now talking about mass murder.
can you tell me when and where mass murder happened
in the U.S. that was tied to the rebel flag????...
true dat!!.. not like the goverment was killing people.. just the morons in the state.

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sheesh man.. give me some time to respond.. people gots to eat lunch ya know..

and that would be a negitave.. farthest south i have lived it Monee..

I say Circle up the trucks, fire up the brush, un tuck your shirt and kick some dust!

But see, Mopar, you don't seem to fit the description the shirt is betraying. What kind of statement are you trying to make? That you're a country boy, redneck, white bread rock n roll son of bitch?

When I see someone wearing a shirt like that they usually don't live in the North West burbs of Chicago in Yuppie Vill.

Any Yuppy wearing a shirt like that is trying to betray themselves of something they are not.

No offense at all Alex, you asked so I'm telling.

I've spent alot of time in small hick towns down south, Kentucky, Tennessee, Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana, Georgia, Carolinas, Florida and I've met alot of good people that would fit that T-Shirt.

YOU DON'T FIT THAT DISCRIPTION

Theres nothing wrong with being from the south. Actually I will eventually move south because the attitude, hospitality and friendliness is better the further you go south.

I say get rid of the Rebel Flag and flounting it unless you have a good answer of why you are wearing it.

Now me on the other hand, I think I fit that T-Shirt better than you. How much you want for it?
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NO!! you are now talking about mass murder.
can you tell me when and where mass murder happened
in the U.S. that was tied to the rebel flag????...
Not the same thing but the same priciple.

Kelly, it's easy to say "live with it" when it's not your great great grandparents that were slaves. People throw PC around like its a bad word. I don't see it as PC, but as being compasionate to someone else's feelings.

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true dat!!.. not like the goverment was killing people.. just the morons in the state.
Maybe you and LowBusa need to brush up on your history. The Jews were enslaved just like the slaves here in the US. People were not punished in the South for killing Black men and raping black women. The big difference is that the Holocaust only lasted for a few years and Slavery lasted for hundreds. Both groups were denied their basic human rights...need I go on? There's alot of things that went on in this country that isn't in your high school history books. The state governments did nothing to stop the killings and whenthey had a trial it was a sham and the killers were set free. Look at what happened to Emmitt Till in the '50's.

The rebel flag is the US version of the swastika as far as I'm concerned.
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IMHO, I think most dudes that wear it see it as a "Up yours you establishment prick!" symbol. Kinda like wearin' a swastika was to bikers in the 60's. Kinda like a Maltese Cross is now. And don't tell me that the MC is a firemans symbol. That's not why bikers wear them.

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NO!! you are now talking about mass murder.
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