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World Record Speeding Ticket?

WABASHA, Minn. -- With a State Patrol airplane overhead, a Stillwater motorcyclist hit the throttle and possibly set the informal record for the fastest speeding ticket in Minnesota history: 205 mph.

On Saturday afternoon, State Patrol pilot Al Loney was flying near Wabasha, in southeastern Minnesota on the Wisconsin border, watching two motorcyclists racing along U.S. Highway 61.

When one of the riders shot forward, Loney was ready with his stopwatch. He clicked it once when the motorcycle reached a white marker on the road and again a quarter-mile later. The watch read 4.39 seconds, which Loney calculated to be 205 mph.

``I was in total disbelief,'' Loney told the St. Paul Pioneer Press for today's editions. ``I had to double-check my watch because in 27 years I'd never seen anything move that fast.''

Several law enforcement sources told the newspaper that, although no official records are kept, it was probably the fastest ticket ever written in the state.

After about three-quarters of a mile, the biker slowed to about 100 mph and let the other cycle catch up. By then Loney had radioed ahead to another state trooper, who pulled the two over soon afterward.

The State Patrol officer arrested the faster rider, 20-year-old Stillwater resident Samuel Armstrong Tilley, for reckless driving, driving without a motorcycle license - and driving 140 miles per hour over the posted speed limit of 65 mph.

A search of speeding tickets written by state troopers, who patrol most of the state's highways, between 1990 and February 2004 shows the next fastest ticket was for 150 mph in 1994 in Lake of the Woods County.

Tilley did not return calls from the newspaper to his home Monday. A working number for him could not immediately be found by The Associated Press today.

Only a handful of exotic sports cars can reach 200 mph, but many high-performance motorcycles can top 175 mph. With minor modifications, they can hit 200 mph. Tilley was riding a Honda 1000, Loney said.

Kathy Swanson of the state Office of Traffic Safety said unless Tilley was wearing the kind of protective gear professional motorcycle racers wear, he was courting death at 200 mph.

``I'm not entirely sure what would happen if you crashed at 200 miles per hour,'' Swanson said. ``But it wouldn't be pretty, that's for sure.''

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Information from: St. Paul Pioneer Press, http:// www.twincities.com
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Kathy Swanson of the state Office of Traffic Safety said unless Tilley was wearing the kind of protective gear professional motorcycle racers wear, he was courting death at 200 mph.

``I'm not entirely sure what would happen if you crashed at 200 miles per hour,'' Swanson said. ``But it wouldn't be pretty, that's for sure.''

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Typical remark be someone who' neverwathed motorcycle racing... where riders regularly crash at well over 100 mph.

Actually in full leathers if you jumped off a biek at that speed, you'd break your wrists and hands from tumbling, but otherwise be ok if you didn't hit any fixed objects.
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Typical remark be someone who' neverwathed motorcycle racing... where riders regularly crash at well over 100 mph.

Actually in full leathers if you jumped off a biek at that speed, you'd break your wrists and hands from tumbling, but otherwise be ok if you didn't hit any fixed objects.
uhm, in motorcycle racing, the usualy don't slow down to a complete stop on the pavement, but sand traps and such. And at 200mph, ya wouldn't have much of the leathers left on ya half way thru it.
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Typical remark be someone who' neverwathed motorcycle racing... where riders regularly crash at well over 100 mph.

Actually in full leathers if you jumped off a biek at that speed, you'd break your wrists and hands from tumbling, but otherwise be ok if you didn't hit any fixed objects.

Every crash is different, so you can't say that for certain. I know someone who recently crashed at a trackday, not going more than 40mph and broke his collarbone. But his wrists and hands were fine.

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I heard the Eric and Kathy show this morning on the radio, and they were talking about this shit, and the crotch rockets bla bla...

And the girl kept saying "OMG ... No way! The fastest I've been in a bike was doing 99mph, and that was as a passenger, and I thought I was going to die" ...
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somebody was telling me that it was an RC51... that surely can't do 200

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It is possible with real messed up gearing, but stock never will come close to 170. Mine had pair mod, satos pipes, power commander, 520 chain conversion and a few other items and at about 160 she would die, but I was also running a 15 in front/42 tooth in the back as well. RC51 has lots of low end torque but sucks at high end typical v twin. Fun bike non the less.
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somebody was telling me that it was an RC51... that surely can't do 200
no way. even with gearing it doesnt have NEARLY the HP to hit 200.

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no way. even with gearing it doesnt have NEARLY the HP to hit 200.
yeah i am fighting with the dumbass on another board right now.. he SWEARS that it is an RC51..

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Anythings possible, a little squeez here. a little boost there. who knows?
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Anythings possible, a little squeez here. a little boost there. who knows?
very true.. but i really just can't see a V-twin (no offense Sam ) doing 200+ without ALOT of mods.. a 1000RR wouldn't be as hard.

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Just to clarify I never said that it could be done stock, not possible but what I was saying is that it would take lots of work to have it done, Lots of work. It would have never been a RC that did that, whom ever that is on another board is a dumbass tell him to look for the radiator on the side because 1000 radiators are huge in the front.
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No way could an RC51 do that without some hardass mods...stock they can barely even break 130mph in the 1/4 with a pro. I doubt a 20 year old would have a heavily modified RC51 or 1000RR.

I'll bet it was a close to stock bike going 170 or so. The guy with the stopwatch probably just clicked it on late and off early. The guy was hauling ass, but I don't know how they can give tickets based on something as inaccurate as human reaction time.
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, but I don't know how they can give tickets based on something as inaccurate as human reaction time.
100-1 says thats why he is gonna get out of it too.

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Can a Mod combine the two threads, por favor.

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the 2 i thought there was like 10 of them.. give me a second, i will start one more.

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I would hope that he'd get out of it, but I doubt he will, since it is obvious that he was going at least 150mph.

Anybody want to take bets on what his fine and/or sentence will be?

I'll bet he loses his license and gets a $2000 fine.
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it was done by a helicopter, so they do that by stopwatches all the time... he ain't gettin out of this one.
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Anybody else realize that the 1/4 mile distance/mph calculations only give average speed? Assuming that, it would make sense that he was also going over 205mph for some time, which would be impossible on that bike.
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it was done by a helicopter, so they do that by stopwatches all the time... he ain't gettin out of this one.
still the factor of human error.. and at the speed he was going it could mean the differance of 200 or a 150.. still speeding yes.. but if you go to court.. just like if you can prove that the radar was innaccurate.. even though you were still speeding.. the device used to catch you is faulty..

i'm guessing the judge would be a dick and prolly slap him with a fine anyways.. but if you take it to trial.. you might get outta it.. unless the jury hates sportbikers, which is prolly the case..

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Stole this from another site...our guy may be in luck.

What is considered "normal" human reaction time? First, let's take a look at the best: Drag racers. Average reaction time of (Top Fuel) drag racers at the 1997 U.S. Nationals was 0.124 0.082 second. Imagine that our cop running VASCAR is a super cop, with drag racer like reaction times: What kind of error is introduced into the VASCAR speed measurement by a reaction time of 0.124 second? With the numbers testified to by our cop:

Distance Real time Error = Measured Speed
100 1.54 + 0.124= 60.096 feet/second (40.97 mph)
or
100 1.54 - 0.124= 70.621 feet/second (48.15 mph)
Depending on whether the cop was 0.124 second too quick or too late.
The calculation above takes into consideration only one opportunity for error.

However, the cop must not only start the VASCAR's stopwatch, but he also must stop it. Thus, he can introduce the error twice:
100 1.54 + 0.248= 55.928 feet/second (38.13 mph)
or
100 1.54 - 0.248= 77.399 feet/second (52.77 mph)
Looks like we are getting some error margin here: it is almost 15 mph. But wait a minute: the cop alleged that he clocked our man 66 mph (96.8 feet/second).

If true, the elapsed time over 100 feet distance was 1.033 second. The error in speed reading introduced by human reaction time becomes even more severe:
100 1.033 + 0.248= 78.064 feet/second (53.225 mph)
or
100 1.033 - 0.248= 127.388 feet/second (86.855 mph)

WOW! An error margin of more than 33 mph! And remember we assumed that the super cop in this example has reaction times similar to a drag racer!

Imagine if the cop is only human: Average adults show reaction times around 0.3 second -- it's not even worthwhile to do the calculation. Obviously, we can no longer talk about accuracy and VASCAR in the same sentence. One can conclude that using VASCAR over a 100-foot distance cannot yield any accurate speed reading for the speeds alleged in our man's case. We come to this conclusion even before considering other sources of error, such as visual distortion introduced by the parallax effect.
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what ever it was had to be geared somehow
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