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What does salary mean anyway?

Does it mean that an employer can make you work over 8 hours a day or 40 hours a week? Because you don't get overtime or comp-time, what are the legal ramifications for that? Just because you're salaried, doesn't mean you should have to work extra hours.

I guess the only question I have is, does salary mean 40 hours a week, no more no less?? Or does it mean they can take advantage of you??

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means i can fuck my boss cause i'm salary.. so when i come in late and leave early every day i work here i get paid the same

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typically a salary job is one which the hours and amount of work tend to vary week to week. sometimes you could have alot of work to get done by a deadline and your expected to work 50 hours a week. sometimes your week is light and you only work 30 hours. but all in all you get paid the same.

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Yeah, legally, salaried (or as it's called "exempt") employees are exempt from the legal requirement of overtime pay. That is, it's determined that the nature and level of your job is such that sometimes, longer hours will be needed, and sometimes, certain privelages/concessions will be made for your time. The idea is that you are fulfilling a ROLE with the company as opposed to punching in, working, and getting paid for those hours.

So yeah, if you're salaried, you normally work a job that has projects and things that are more self-directed and so you work the hours you need to to get the job done.
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from what i understand, there isn't a solid tie between salary and hours per week, 40 hrs for full on salary if anything would be likely a guideline, they are abused like Alex said, or ya might have to work your fingers to the bone to get boney fingers and no OT
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well said Rachel

so when you say "role" to salaried people get to play D & D and role 20-sided dice to try and hit the red dragon? i could during office hours if no one shows up
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It can vary. I am salaried, but I still get overtime pay. Go figure.
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So, I shouldn't have to work 50 hour work weeks for the entire year?? This blows!

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OT pay depends on the company, I believe. Where I work if you work on a company holiday then you get paid double time if you're salary. Of course, they divide your yearly salary up to find the hourly, then pay you that times two.

But since I became salary I've been working an average of 50 or so hours a week. My boss met with my co-workers and I yesterday to tell us that when its slow take some time off so we're not working so much.

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To me, salary means you can take advantage of a company, or they can take advantage of you. When I was working for the Evil Empire, otherwise known as Galyan's, the managers were sometimes working 70hrs a week with no overtime pay or bonus. It didn't matter to me since I typically only worked 30 hours, and maybe 40 once in a while. But these other managers always worked 50+. And all this for a company that didn't even give yearly raises.
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If you are an exempt salaried employee, you may be required to work more than 40 hours without overtime pay. You, of course, have the option of looking for other emplyment.
You can also negotiate with your employer for additional vacation or comp time. Good luck

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I work for a big hotel corp., this is how they break it down for you when your hired. You are expected to work 50 hours a week, sometimes more, sometimes less if your work is complete. Now that the government changed it around a bit with what "exempt" is it breaks down different for the amount of people that you manage. A manager that works at my place was recently changed from salary to hourly because he didn't meet the requirements, his pay was calculated into 47 1/2 hours including O.T.. Now he can still accumulate more O.T. if he goes over his 47 1/2 hours, so now he works about 60 hours a week and he's banking big time. Sometimes he just hangs out late if there is something going on. No one questions him about his O.T. because he is still perceived as a manager. Wish I was so lucky.

Oh yeah, at my work if you work a sixth day you get an extra day of or another day of pay. Most opt for the extra day off because you get taxed on the O.T. so much it's like working for half what you normally make. Besides they don'y pay you the extra day pay for three months. Still a decent benefit.

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salary

It means you are now expected to work a 45-50+ work week, almost be on call, and what have you done for me lately. That is in most cases....

HR looks at you as the click and you get all the perks, so they watch your every move, if your late they know, but if you stay late they dont care. If you miss a day or take off they know, but if you work from Home or Saturday or Sunday that doesnt count, if you try to slide out Wednesday to go hit a bucket of balls or catch a game.

Just depends on where you work, and how the organizations is run. Mt onwer is great , we have some of the mentioned but that is not the company he wants us to be. We are weeding out the brother & sisterhood of the misery!!!!

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IT all depends on the company and your boss. For starters IMO... you already have the wrong attitude. You are paid a fixed amount of money to complete "X" amount of work. No matter how long it takes within reason. Most engineers I've met including myself, average 45-55 hours per week, with some weeks reaching 80 hours if a project demands it.

1) Weekends off are NOT guranteed
2) You must "EARN" a bonus or salary increase
3) You CAN be terminated following a proper review for not meeting a certain work standard taht has been outlined for you.

The reward.... most salaried positions make dramatically more base salary, and have larger bonus structures and pay raises. For example, in my position, I can earn up ot 18% bonus and merit increase for exceeding my performance targets on projects on on day to day assignments.

Salaried positions also allow for this amazing concept called AMBITION. if you have this, and you are skilled enough or can play politics, i na large company, you can move highre in management and make more money, have more responsibility and a larger bonus structure. My director can earn up to 30% in bonuses. So if he makes $120,000, they hand him an additonal check in December for $36,000 if he exceeded most of his goals (projects on time, under budget, improvements in other areas)


SALARY IS NOT ABOUT PUNCHING THE CLOCK. IF you think that, you will be at the top of the list when the company decides ot have layoffs...... unless your over 50, black, female, or multiple of those.... then you job is almost guaranteed for life.
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IT all depends on the company and your boss. For starters IMO... you already have the wrong attitude. You are paid a fixed amount of money to complete "X" amount of work. No matter how long it takes within reason. Most engineers I've met including myself, average 45-55 hours per week, with some weeks reaching 80 hours if a project demands it.

1) Weekends off are NOT guranteed
2) You must "EARN" a bonus or salary increase
3) You CAN be terminated following a proper review for not meeting a certain work standard taht has been outlined for you.

The reward.... most salaried positions make dramatically more base salary, and have larger bonus structures and pay raises. For example, in my position, I can earn up ot 18% bonus and merit increase for exceeding my performance targets on projects on on day to day assignments.

Salaried positions also allow for this amazing concept called AMBITION. if you have this, and you are skilled enough or can play politics, i na large company, you can move highre in management and make more money, have more responsibility and a larger bonus structure. My director can earn up to 30% in bonuses. So if he makes $120,000, they hand him an additonal check in December for $36,000 if he exceeded most of his goals (projects on time, under budget, improvements in other areas)


SALARY IS NOT ABOUT PUNCHING THE CLOCK. IF you think that, you will be at the top of the list when the company decides ot have layoffs...... unless your over 50, black, female, or multiple of those.... then you job is almost guaranteed for life.
2 years ago, I would have been offended by what you just said.

But in reading the initial post, even before I got to your reply, I felt the EXACT same way you do. I've felt this way ever since I left a job ~1.5 years ago.

Just as cherry said, you are paid "X" salary to do 'X" job. So you have 3 choices:

A) Get it done sooner, you can go home sooner.
B) Take longer, and go home later.
C) Get it done sooner, show some initiative, take on more projects, and go home at regular time.

Now which of those choices do you think will get you further in the company?

I think it's said that "40 hours" is average. I think that varies based on what field of work you're in. Example: engineering? Don't even BEGIN to think that you'll get away with a 40 hour week... figure 45-50 minimum.

The idea behind a salaried job is that you're more important than your average cashier/clerk/etc (no offense to any cashiers or clerks here) who punch a clock to do a menial task. In trade for being "more important" - you get a few perks that hourly employees don't get: a guaranteed, steady paycheck... paid time off... paid sick days... etc.

Sure, employers take advantage of the fixed payscale sometimes - but I bet employees take MORE advantage. Your 40-hour week.. are you including or excluding your lunch hour? Remember that 9-5 is exactly 8 hours. That doesn't include 30-60 minutes for lunch, or the hourly 10-minute cigarette break, etc. Lots of people seem to forget that.

Some companies are understaffed, and overwork their employees. I was involved in a job ~1.5 years ago, where they kept laying off people, but kept increasing the workload. The result? I, along with the rest of my team, averaged (no BS) 80 hours a week, for the last 9 months I was with the company... and there were a handful of 100 hour weeks thrown in there. In that case - they really should have hired more people. And maybe excessive hours is necessary to demonstrate to upper management that "WE NEED MORE PEOPLE." Just be careful - if someone else can do in 40 hours what it takes you 60 hours to do.. you just signed your own walking papers.

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OH, and another thing I forgot to mention...

I'm not sure how the laws have changed recently, but I DO know that 2 years ago, even in a salaried position, the law required the employer to pay OT provided the position met a few requirements...(doing this from memory)

1) The salaried position was for less than $40k/year
2) The position was not considered "professional" in nature - i.e. engineering, medical, etc.

Might want to surf through the IL Dept. of Labor site to look into this.

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OH, and another thing I forgot to mention...

I'm not sure how the laws have changed recently, but I DO know that 2 years ago, even in a salaried position, the law required the employer to pay OT provided the position met a few requirements...(doing this from memory)

1) The salaried position was for less than $40k/year
2) The position was not considered "professional" in nature - i.e. engineering, medical, etc.

Might want to surf through the IL Dept. of Labor site to look into this.
That actually sounds right. Come to think of it...anytime someone at my company fits that description, they are are typically paid overtime....but the company is only required to pay straight time. First level supervisors often fit this description.

If it's a really good job with a good company...you don't mind working the extra hours because you WILL get rewarded, and you take some pride and ownership for the companies continued sucess.


Working for a company where people actually care about the companies performance is 100 times better than one where most people punch a clock, everybody is constantly complaining.... and management doesn't understand how to positively motivate their workforce, and how to develop employees and best use their individual talents.

A good manager coaches you one what you did wrong...they don't ream you out or pile the blame on you to save their ass. The failure of a subordinate ot perform their job is a failure of management to do an adequate job of recruiting or traing & mentoring that position.
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I don't know about any of youse guys, but if you work in an industry or occupation affected by SOX (Sarbannes-Oxley), basically add 50-100% (minimum) to the time it will take to complete a project.

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Yeah, legally, salaried (or as it's called "exempt") employees are exempt from the legal requirement of overtime pay. That is, it's determined that the nature and level of your job is such that sometimes, longer hours will be needed, and sometimes, certain privelages/concessions will be made for your time. The idea is that you are fulfilling a ROLE with the company as opposed to punching in, working, and getting paid for those hours.

wow, rachel. sometimes you DO say such smart things!! everyone remember that the next time she's being picked on.

anyway...yeah...some consulting and law firms will pay salary but they make you log your hours anyway (because they have to bill your time). The one I work at has a minimum and maximum number of hours worked per month....if you work over the max, you get overtime. If you work under the max, you have to provide a reason (vacation, personal time, etc).

It's nice. I got a $1600 paycheck once for two weeks of work.
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I don't know about any of youse guys, but if you work in an industry or occupation affected by SOX (Sarbannes-Oxley), basically add 50-100% (minimum) to the time it will take to complete a project.
What the hell is this Sarbannes-Oxley? Is this a pair of psycologist with some theory...or a couple consultants that peddle this time management "system" to companies like Kepner-Treggo.
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SOX is a law passed in the wake of the Enron, etc. scandals that is supposed to increase internal controls and segregation of duties. Although many associate it with accounting, it is especially impacting IT because of all the documentation and multiple levels of approvals for even the simplest of changes and it can drag out a project weeks beyond what it would normally take (unless you become a pest to the people you need to do the approvals, which is what I've been doing in the past few days).

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Does it mean that an employer can make you work over 8 hours a day or 40 hours a week? Because you don't get overtime or comp-time, what are the legal ramifications for that? Just because you're salaried, doesn't mean you should have to work extra hours.

I guess the only question I have is, does salary mean 40 hours a week, no more no less?? Or does it mean they can take advantage of you??

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while it is true they are paying you to show up and work. It is standard bussiness practice to work a 40 hour week.

Although if you do more or less you get nothing extra unless it is in your contract. Yes they can make you work more for the same amount, and Yes you can show up less and make the same amount.
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So did anyone look up IL Dept of Labor?
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That is, it's determined that the nature and level of your job is such that sometimes, longer hours will be needed, and sometimes, certain privelages/concessions will be made for your time.
I don't usually get the longer hours but extra days are common. Rarely see any priveleges unless I decide to order pizza & let the company pay for it. I'm in operations for a Class I railroad & the nature of our job is 24/7 coverage. So if I or someone else needs time off someone else has to cover. Makes planning a life difficult at times. Also, when someone's on vacation the other 3 mgr's have to cover. Two of us have 4 weeks/yr vacation & the other 2 have 5 weeks. After covering vacations we actually end up with about a week & half per year.

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