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post #1 of 19 (permalink) Old 09-18-2002, 04:31 PM Thread Starter
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First, I need to give you some background info.

On Aug. 25, I lowsided at Gingerman and got 5 stitches in my knee. Four days after getting the stitches, quite a bit of fluid surrounded the knee. This was just subcutaneous and not in the joint. No biggie because the body should absorb it and it is not infectious.

On Sept. 1st, I had the stitches removed and asked them about the fluid. Again, they said the body will absorb it. No problem until I saw absolutely no change in the amount of fluid decreasing.

So, I went to Urgent Care on Thurs., Sept. 5 to get their opinion. They put me on 800mg of motrin and said that if it hasn't gone down in 7-10 days, then come in and they will drain it.

On Friday, September 13, I went to the school nurse and our athletic trainer and they both agreed that it should have gone down and they recommended getting it drained. It had been 8 days since going to Urgent Care, so I went in to have it drained.

I got into Urgent Care at around 4:30. They didn't start drawing fluid until closer to 5pm. They filled one 30mL siringe and the doctor removed the siringe from the catheter (needle) so he could put a new siringe on and draw more fluid. However, he didn't have one handy. He called out for his assistant Tammi and she had a hard time finding the correct siringe. So, the doctor left to help her get the correct siringe and came back. During that whole time (approx. 2 min.), I had a catheter (needle) going in my knee w/ an open airway to allow contamination. It worried me, but I didn't think much of it. I went home w/ very little fluid in the knee.

Approx. 2 hours later, the site where he inserted the needle began to hurt. I just assumed he poked something w/ the needle and attributed that to the soreness. By bedtime, it was hurting a little bit more, but not a whole lot.

By Saturday morning, my knee was red and warm to the touch. He did give me Cipro (antibiotic) to take which I did take one the night before and one in the morning. Throughout the day, I noticed the knee hurting more and by around 11:30am, I was sick (ie. feverish, nausea, headache). At the same time, I noticed the fluid had returned, but I didn't know to what extent because I was wearing pants. When I got home around 5pm, I changed into shorts and my knee was twice the size as it was before. It was inflamed and I had a temp. I thought about waiting to see if the antibiotic would bring it down, but by 9pm the knee was worse. So, I went to the ER.

I ended up being admitted and giving antibiotics every 6 hours. On Sunday, the orthopedic doctor withdrew 50mL of fluid. Now I have a PICC (long term IV) and I have to take antibiotics once a day.

I've been thinking of consulting a lawyer, because I feel that the Urgent Aid doctor made a mistake (ie. malpractice). However, I don't know the dynamics of malpractice lawsuits and I don't have a lawyer. I would like to consult one, but I am already going to have $1000 in bills and I don't want to needlessly add to them.

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post #2 of 19 (permalink) Old 09-18-2002, 04:41 PM
 
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1st off......

Consulting a lawyer will not cost you anything. THe lawyer will tell you if he wants the case and if there is a chance you will win. Most likely he will take 33 1/3% off that. Count court fees and such coming out of your portion. The lawyer will go after his insurance, insurance may or may not settle out of court. If it goes to litigation, bet on another 2 to 3 years before its solved.

Go with your 1st instinct on what you want to do. No one can tell you otherwise. If you feel it's right, do it. It can't hurt to go and talk to one.
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Let me say this stay away from immediate care facilities. like doc my father went into a immed. care facility a few months back for an injury to his leg at work. a pallet poked a hole in his calf about a 1/4 inch deep. so they shot it up and cleaned it out with some sort of tool. by morning he had no feeling in his leg and the 1/4 hole had puss all over it, he went to the emergency room and they had to clean it out again, now the hole is 2 inches around, talk about gross..... theres more then that to the story but i think i make my point, go to a hospital, by the way if you can prove there guilt by all means get them!!!


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Doc...I would definitely complain to the hospital's adminstrative manager or whoever oversees the doctors. Good luck with that knee.
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Sounds like they were the cause of your pain and suffering. I cant consult on the laywer thing, but might be a good idea to talk to one.

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Doc...I would definitely complain to the hospital's adminstrative manager or whoever oversees the doctors. Good luck with that knee.

I was being SPECIFIC!
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I agree, it won't hurt to talk to a lawyer. If you can get a professional opinion from the ER or orthopedic doctor that states that the open catheter caused an infection, please secure it.

I had 60 cc drained from one of my knees about a year and a half ago, it was done right in the orthopedic doctor's office, he just poured the fluid from the syringe into the sink. No catheters or what not.

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I'll talk to some of the docs that I work with and see what they think, and if there was some negligence involoved. I'm only still in med school, but it sounds like someone messed up.....especially from going to having five stiches to winding up with a PICC line. Hope things in your knee are calming down by now. Take care.

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I'll talk to some of the docs that I work with and see what they think, and if there was some negligence involoved.
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Will- I would appreciate that! I still can't believe all this has gone down. Some points of interest, I had a hole in my knee down to the patella tendon and no antibiotics were prescribed. I don't know if that is common, but I figured I would be on something to prevent infection or at least an anti-inflamatory. Even when I asked I sort of got the run-around (from the ER). Also, the culture of the first fluid drawn grew nothing. The fluid drawn the 2nd time when infection had set in grew nothing also, but I had already been given 2 50mL bags of antibiotics.

I do know that going to Urgent Care wasn't the best solution. However, I don't have a General prac. doc. and the ER already failed on 2 accounts to give me any advice on draining the knee besides saying I would have to go to an orthopedic specialist.

I've talked w/ 2 nurses so far about the incident and they stated that the incident in question was not proper technique (aeseptic). I am interested to hear what Will finds out, if anything. Also, I will be consulting a lawyer to see where something like this stands (thanks KBO ). I'm not one of those people that like to sue or really believes in it, but I feel that this could have all been avoided. Never in my mind did I think I would be sitting at home, w/ a long-term IV threaded up my arm and inches from my heart while I administer my own antibiotics. This is


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Sorry Doc...last post for me.

Actually they are the exact same number..my way is just abbreviated and easier to type.
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Damn dude, you still should contact an orthepedic specialist. To ensure there are no long term affects from this. Really just find any general practice Dr. they will look at it and reffer you to someone.
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i told you doc..somewhere along the line from the accident to now..SOMEONE FUCKED UP...it shouldnt have gotten this bad...your not and wernt in a jungle with a hole in your legs...your right here in suburbia!!!!

fucken sue someone..and if ya cant sue someone...let me know...we will both go down the list of people skull fuck them and make them SUCK the fluid out with there mouths ..those fucken idiots



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First off, damn dude that sucks and I'm really sorry to hear you have to deal with this! At least you sound like you're on the road to recovery now!!!

I come from lawyers on both sides of my family, and my uncle is a medical malpractice attorney. I'll save you the long story but my mom had eye surgery on the same eye 3 times due to the doctor being an idiot and my uncle was still hesitant to sue. It costs a bundle up front, and the amount you recover in the LONG run won't be worth it. I'd say unless this keeps you out of work for a long time or it is really, really painful you don't have much of a shot. But if you think you do, start spending the money on rehab and whatever else now!

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Damn dude, you still should contact an orthepedic specialist. To ensure there are no long term affects from this. Really just find any general practice Dr. they will look at it and reffer you to someone.

I have both now. Down here it is really hard to find a good doctor and I've been hesitant to look. Luckily, I did get something good out of the hospital stay. A general practitioner and an orthopedic specialist...not to mention an infectious disease doc.

Morethanlikely, I'm just going to eat the bill even though I am pretty sure the Urgent Care is responsible. I'm just not going to go back to him...ever.


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Morethanlikely, I'm just going to eat the bill even though I am pretty sure the Urgent Care is responsible. I'm just not going to go back to him...ever.


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I forget, which urgent care was it?

I've usually found that urgent care clinics get 3rd rate doctors that barely speak english or graduated from some unknown place but needed a job. That's at least everyone I've ben too. Underpaid, overworker... yada yada.
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I forget, which urgent care was it?

I've usually found that urgent care clinics get 3rd rate doctors that barely speak english or graduated from some unknown place but needed a job. That's at least everyone I've ben too. Underpaid, overworker... yada yada.
Sounds about right...w/ the accent of Apu.


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Actually they are the exact same number..my way is just abbreviated and easier to type.
duh.....
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