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post #1 of 21 (permalink) Old 02-14-2005, 09:21 PM Thread Starter
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WTF is it with Gen III Dakota heater cores? Are they that poorly designed?

Its bad enough that mine is creating that "smell" again (installed this one in Oct 04 to replace the cheap one Firestone installed in aug 02 that popped in June 04). If it was freaking warmer out right now I'd just bypass it like I did when it popped last June. Is there a way to modify the heater box so I can just replace it without yanking the freaking dashboard? This is just freaking ludacrious. If I have to replace this one and it does this AGAIN, all I can say is that I probably will add Dodge to my "do not buy" list with GM for new vehicles. Already looked at the new dakota and said NO. If I want a Neons interior, I'll buy a Neon.
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post #2 of 21 (permalink) Old 02-14-2005, 09:26 PM Thread Starter
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Yes I'm a bit miffed right now. Just tired of things going wrong. Getting to the point I might as well buy a mid 70-early 80's full size since if somethign goes wrong with them, they are pretty much simple to fix. None of this take this and this and this off to get to this crap like they do with new vehicles.
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WTF is it with Gen III Dakota heater cores? Are they that poorly designed?
Rob.. i thought you had a 2nd Gen..

sorry to hear. But i can say I have been with DCX since 1998 and i can't even think of one heater core in a Dakota going bad, kindof odd really. That sure is alot of heater core replacements for one truck, about 1 too many. I don't blame ya for being pissed, i would too.

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The way the dakota forums treat the generations is Gen I 87 to 91, Gen II 92-96 (first year for the magnum engines), Gen III 97-04. Gen IV 05+.
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I'd check for something else wrong with the car. I've been doing this vehicle cooling thing for a couple years and seen a lot of returned parts due to something else entirely. Heaters are notoriously easy to clog up, and unlike a radiator, it doesn't have the extra tubes to make up the difference. Make sure the coolant's fresh and mixed to whatever spec Dodge says. And use distilled water to mix because all these aluminum parts aren't too keen on tap water.

Regardless of vehicle company, all heaters in modern vehicles are a bitch to get to. Comes with the territory when they are maximizing interior room.

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I'd check for something else wrong with the car. I've been doing this vehicle cooling thing for a couple years and seen a lot of returned parts due to something else entirely. Heaters are notoriously easy to clog up, and unlike a radiator, it doesn't have the extra tubes to make up the difference. Make sure the coolant's fresh and mixed to whatever spec Dodge says. And use distilled water to mix because all these aluminum parts aren't too keen on tap water.

Regardless of vehicle company, all heaters in modern vehicles are a bitch to get to. Comes with the territory when they are maximizing interior room.

Core is copper not aluminum and its flushed every time.


BTW Mopar, I got my annual spring Check Engine light again last week. Same code every year. Reset it once (twice at the most) and its fine all summer, fall and winter until it starts warming up from winter for spring. Code 420. Same code every time. Cat below efficency.


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Rob.. i thought you had a 2nd Gen..

sorry to hear. But i can say I have been with DCX since 1998 and i can't even think of one heater core in a Dakota going bad, kindof odd really. That sure is alot of heater core replacements for one truck, about 1 too many. I don't blame ya for being pissed, i would too.

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wtf???????????? dont you know your dodges?????? there was a generation before these 3


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The way the dakota forums treat the generations is Gen I 87 to 91, Gen II 92-96 (first year for the magnum engines), Gen III 97-04. Gen IV 05+.
a motor swap doesn't make for a Generation change..

These year dakotas... (1989)


and this year... (1992)


are almost entirely the same.. there wasn't even a restyle, some updated headlights, and thats about it on the exterior..

http://www.dodgetalk.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=1

most other message boards claim them:

1st Gen-- PRE-97
2nd Gen-- 97-04
3rd Gen-- 05-up

you really can't call it a 2nd gen, just cause they offer a differant engine.

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wtf???????????? dont you know your dodges?????? there was a generation before these 3
see above post

the "square" bodied Dakotas are all the same.

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see above post

the "square" bodied Dakotas are all the same.

wrong, there was a front facia change and rear tail lights changed as well making the truck look alot different!!

not only that but my litarture called it a complete redesign from 91-92 so you tell me????

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wrong, there was a front facia change and rear tail lights changed as well making the truck look alot different!!

not only that but my litarture called it a complete redesign from 91-92 so you tell me????
Exactly.....I had a Shelby and a '90 clubcab(V6).....Square front. Ordered a '91 clubcab and it was all new front/dash etc..... plus came with a V-8, couldn't get that in 90. To hell with what some mess. board says, I owned them.
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Remind me not to by YZFROB's truck when he's done using it..

Would like to make an dedicated autocross vehicle out of it then it doesnt need a heater. Really freaked out some M3 and vette owner at the tirewall day at BHF when I was catching them and hugging up to them between 3 and 5. I really so much want to be able to afford racing cars again. So much faster than bikes can be out there. Great fun to start braking at the 2 marker and getting the G's mid corner.
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That is way I need to finish my 91 CRX si for the autocross thing. All new Koni ajustable shocks, Energy susupension bushings everywhere, new adjustable sway bars, Brembo rotors and Hawk Performance pads for for the stopping power.

The goal is to take on my dad in his 02 z06 and beat him. Just need stronger wheels and better tires.

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That is way I need to finish my 91 CRX si for the autocross thing. All new Koni ajustable shocks, Energy susupension bushings everywhere, new adjustable sway bars, Brembo rotors and Hawk Performance pads for for the stopping power.

The goal is to take on my dad in his 02 z06 and beat him. Just need stronger wheels and better tires.

Rob, are you going to do the Mazada Rev it tour if it comes to town? If so we'll go together.

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I've been a parts manager at a Chrysler dealer for over 14 years now. I have never seen heater cores go in Dakotas. Not saying it's not possible. It should be under a "Mopar Warranty" if you put in a Chrysler OE part. All parts come with at least a 12 month 12K mile warranty for purchases over the counter. Are you smelling antifreeze? I've seen evaporators go out in Dakotas. But, not heater cores per say.
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FWIW ive owned 3 dakotas and had never had a heater core problem

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Got a funny look this morning at the Toyota dealer from a salesman (looking for a replacement possiblility and felt like tormenting a couple idiot salesmen.). Asked about getting a 05 Toyota LC78 (AU$55k) with a diesel like they have in Aus.




Or a HiLux 4X4 double cab 4X4 (AU$37K)



And I wonder why the toyota dealer here in town hates me.
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FWIW ive owned 3 dakotas and had never had a heater core problem
Same here, my 93 has 167k on it and the original core......maybe you installed it wrong Rob.
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Same here, my 93 has 167k on it and the original core......maybe you installed it wrong Rob.

This from somone who flipped a 4 wheeler?


No its installed right THIS TIME. Firestone's "techs" fucked up the one that replaced teh OEM one and teh one they warrantied the one they installed. They installed 2 within a month. The vacuum control for the heat door only had one of the two screws holding it to the heater box installed. The defrost tube wasnt fully seated and the core looked like it was freaking in a junkyard for 5 yrs. I let Firestones HQ know what I thought about Corner Firestone here in Janesville.

Now if I can only get that LC78 here, I can just say f-it to US assembled vehicles. Other than 2 dash fires, I never had problems with Ford trucks.
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Well its leaking AGAIN.

Heres some other people who are having the same issues with MULTIPLE core failures...

http://www.dodgedakotas.com/boards/dea/338.html
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