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Rant about hospitols and health care providers.

ok i am kinda pissed, i know doctors are leaving the state cause of the insurance and lawsuit caps not being issued.

WHAT EVER!


i spent 9 hours in the ER today with my mom, waiting to get a CT and letting us know what was found.


9 fucken hours for a 1 hour event!


WTF?

why do they take so many people if they cant provide proper attention to there cliants.


its bullshit, and i made it fucken known.

god forbid if it was me in the same spot my mom was, i would have been the worse mother fucker there SCREAMING for my results and SREAMING to hurry the fuck up!


PALOS sucks ASS, ALOT of people know this.

this hospitol was Christ Hospitol in oak lawn.


its fucken nuts now adays, i was'nt the only person either, i even seen people leaving from there beds it was so long to do anything.

sorry and what not doesnt mean shit when it comes to the care of patients in there hands waiting for the attention they need.



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she is fine, "NOW" passing a small kidney stone.


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Thing is Ken, theres people there that use the ER for stuff that really isnt an emergency anyways (like a scratch or sniffles). Were there alot of ambulances rolling in? THey do prioritize by severity. When I went to teh ER for my racing boo boo (didnt want to go, was basically forced to) I sat for 4 hrs in the ER before they even took me to a exam room and than sat there for another hr. Just as I was leaving with my parents, 2 ambulances rolled in with 4 people from a crash. Feel sorry for the others in the waitning room since those 4 went straight to the top of the list.
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Rob's right Ken. Most people use the ER as an MD office. Unless you're either bleeding or dying most people have to wait. They take all those people because they don't have a choice, they can't turn people away, they're obligated to see them; whether or not the people that come choose to wait or not is another story entirely. It's not like they can put a sign outside the door and say that they're fulla and they can't take people anymore. It's not a hotel, some of the hospitals may look like one like Northwestern but it's still a hospital.

All the ERs in the chicagoland area have been full since Monday and most major medical facilities have been on bypass to the smaller community hospitals. It sux that you waited that long to get a CT scan result. Christ is a teaching hospital so they probably had 5 doctors lookin' at the result ie:the ER resident, his senior, the urologist, a renal fellow, the radiologist and then they had to call the attending to see what he wanted all of them to do with the result . Christ is the largest hospital in the chicagoland area and sometimes they've had to go on bed alert and ambulance bypass because there are no beds in the hospital. I've known surgery patients that have had to stay in the recovery room all night and people in the ER waiting to get a bed for as long as 36 hours from the time they walked into the ER.

I always tell people, don't go to the ER unless it's necessary, I usually call my doc and wait until they can see me the next day and even then I have to wait an hour after my appointment to be seen. But if you can't wait then ER is the unfortunate choice.

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this is an interesting topic.

I hardly ever go to the doctor. I remember waiting in the ER for my g/f's daughter once. It did take a while until they seperated us, and put us in the kids waiting room. That went a lot quicker.

Even, if we eliminated all the people who went to the ER for stupid stuff. Dont get me started on stupid people .
Would we still have a huge wait in line??

Eventhough, i never go to the doctor, it seems that my family has a hard time making appointments and it seems worse at the dentist.

Is the people vs doctor ratio getting worse. More people then doctors?


I have more of an issue with costs. Should we have one insurance plan instead of different insurance companies. Or should it be free medicine? But people can pay for medicine or have medicine insurance.
why does staying at a hospital cost so much more then a hotel room?


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WOW, I thought shit like that only happened in Canada and England (ah the joys of socialized medicine). Ken glad your Mom is ok. The only time I have been to the ER in the US was coming out of the bush from deer hunting, in a freezing rain, slipped on a deadfall, broke my ankle and drove a buckthorn into the plam of my hand, both hurt like a bitch, and that 1/2 walk to the truck was a bitch, but walked into the ER, kind of freaked me out it was empty (GSH in BArrington), I was use to seeing jammed ER's in Canada.

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Glad your Mom is doing better Ken. Ive passed a few Kidney stones and it isnt a pleasant experience.
Keep in mind folks that many Doctors themselves tell people to go the the ER for things that seem trivial to us. Its not always people just going there for a hang nail.

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I am with you here!!

I seperated my shoulder last month in a snowmobile accident. I went to the ER to make sure nothing was broken and all that and it took F O R E V E R! ! !

But I under stand not a priority and all but I laid there damn near in tears from the pain for 2 hours after they said they would get me some pain meds.

But the worst was the orthopidic guy. I had to see this specailist after the ER visit a few times. I would have an appointment for lets say 1:00 I wouldn't get to an exam room till 2:00 or even 3:00. Then wait another hour fo rthe doctor to come in!!!! This is a guy you need an apointment for to even walk in the door!!! I'm sure every one here knows what would happen to them If they were late for an apointment at work! Why can these people not stick to a feekin schedule!

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I hear ya.. it's the same at most places man. The only good experience I've ever had at any doctors office was at Riverside in Bradley. I went in for an xray/bandage for a smashed finger. I gave my info to the receptionist and waited no more than 5-8 minutes for a doctor. Didn't even have to wait in a room full of sick people or screaming/crying kids. This was not ER, just regular service

Blue Island is closest to me, but I will never go there by choice. As long as I can drive the 50 minutes and not bleed out too much, I'd rather go to Riverside for service.
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I don't care what anyone else says - the system IS broken.

I think everyone agrees that severe cases take priority - but the real problem is communication!!!!

The typical ER scenario is to checkin, they decide you're not immediately dying, then they park you in the waiting room for anywhere from 5 minutes to 5000 minutes and until someone comes and tries to find you (by calling for you by yelling above the TV), you have no idea what to expect. So you sit.

At a deli you get a number.
At a restaurant you get a beeper.
At the airport they at least have a flight monitor.

And that's just the experience BEFORE you get to see anyone.

How about they give you a break on cost based on how long you have to wait - if they are that busy they must be making tons of money anyway (operating at 100% capacity). If they don't want that, then pay some more docs to handle the load, if the facility is too small then turn people away or build more rooms - it's not that hard.

To continue to treat people like sh*t, especially when they are in pain or worried about dying, just isn't right!!!

And to top it all off, wait until you get your surprise in the mail a week later - then you'll know why they never have any "posted" prices, because if you knew how much you had to pay for 5 minutes of someones time, you'd probably skip the whole experience in favor of death.

Then you get a bill from the:

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* the er doctor
* the radiologist
* the dermatologist
* the waitress
* the janitor

All at competitive "rates"!!!!

And your choices are ???

The system sucks, and my experience is that it is the same no matter which e/r you go to. Some are better than others depending upon the time you get there, but they all suck.

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Hate to say ti, but that happens. You mom was propably placed low on the triage list because her symptoms after the inital exam did not indicate she was dying.

IF the scan takes 1 hour, and you waited 9 hours... that means at least 6 people were ahead of you in line. If a patient has a more serious case, they simply jump in line ahead of you because they have a greater need. It sucks waiting... but if they bought a second CT machine (cost several million dollars) you health care costs would go up. The hospital has a fixed budget.

Sucks you had to wait so long, but unfortunately unless you dying or in risk of dying... the ER is a shitty place to be most days... your going ot wait a long tiem unless it's unusually slow.
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When in doubt about going to the ER for what ails you, make a appointment w/ your regular doc FIRST. I would suspect that the CT you waited for wasn't a rush like other things and you probably should've seen her reg. doc and it would've happened sooner. Glad she's OK though.

ER around here ain't too bad. Got right in and quickly had tests done/tranfered to another hospital when I had my eye injury. Went in for my collar bone break at 10pm and was out by ~1am....all the x-rays were done, but I had to pee in the cup before I could leave, and I just couldn't 'go'. Hell, even a simple cut in my lip(needed 5 stitches) only took about an hour.

Even the hospital in Hawaii was good.....wife had an asthma attack and was seen immediately, in and out in 45 minutes.

I imagine now, with all the FLU going around, places are packed. A little bit of preventative meds would go a LONG way in uncongesting most ER's. People need to take better care of THEMSELVES.....stop relying on doctors for the sniffles and such things that don't require medical SKILLS.
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Reasons teh ER is so slow:
1) Paperwork. Thanks to lawsuits... a pile of paperwork must be filed to document literallr every tiem you take a shit. Ever stayed overnight... they actually ask you if you have a bowel movement recently.
2) limited staff. Med school is long and expensive, these are highyl trained professionals that make six fgures. Even the "blue collar" nurses make pretty good money because they too have 2-6 years of training.
3) Equipment - only FAA certification comes close to the amount of testing and paperwork required to design, test, approve and certify a simple machien like a IV pump, or a EKG monitor. What looks simple, costs 10 times more than youd expect because.
4) Lawsuits - money doesn't grow on trees. Every multi-million dollar lawsuit was paid for by YOU. Malpractice insurace in some fields costs six figures annually. thsoe costs are passed down to the patient.

Yes it's a broken system, but it's broken for different ways than you think. IT's over regulated and litigation is out of control. Drug marketing is also out of control... althouhg, increased demand, R&D costs and reasonable return on investments are makign drugs very expensive.
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I imagine now, with all the FLU going around, places are packed. A little bit of preventative meds would go a LONG way in uncongesting most ER's. People need to take better care of THEMSELVES.....stop relying on doctors for the sniffles and such things that don't require medical SKILLS.
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When in doubt about going to the ER for what ails you, make a appointment w/ your regular doc FIRST. I would suspect that the CT you waited for wasn't a rush like other things and you probably should've seen her reg.
Anyone who has ever had a kidney stone would disagree with this.

Imagine you've NEVER had any history of kidney stones and then this happens to you:

Sudden onset of SEVERE back pain. You can hardly catch your breathe. You feel like you are going to faint. This continues for > 1 hour. You take a pee and you are peeing almost pure blood.

Would you go to the E/R or "schedule" an appointment ? Come on!

Then imagine going to the E/R and waiting 9 hours. Sucks.

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Glad your mom's ok Ken.

I think we all have a crappy experience or two at an er. Mine was with my mother who had gotten in a "relatively" minor car wreck, she had a 3 inch gash on her head from the windshield, took 7 staples. The accident happened at about 10:30 pm. I finally hear about it and show up at the er around 12:00am. She's still waiting, in tears, because there is some fucking drunk guy standing over her nearly screaming "Yo brains is comin outta ya head!!!!"

I fuckin lost it. Had the guy on the ground by the throat, my mom is screaming for security. Found out the guy had been there for ten minutes before the first person complained, they were just letting the bastard walk around and harrass the shit outta people for an hour and a half.
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i read some replies and didn't read some others.
i know and understand what you guys are talking about cause i know it too.
the thing is they needs more doctors and need to be better attitudes with there clients.
we went to her doctor 1st, and like was said, she was bloated she was having BAD pain! she couldn't barley walk, she couldn't even sit, her breathing was off, don't get me wrong its only cause i said a few choice words she got in a bed quick, and started her on morphine"sp?" then some exams.
it wasn't till till 6 hours later she got to the CT scan, and YES the hospital was full, and was on by pass for emergency's since they were at full capacity.
then her chart was sitting on the board for 45 minutes and it was only cause of me telling them 5 times to get the doctor over here to read the results, i think i know more of what was going on with my mothers care then they did except the results.
shitty experience considering this Will cost around 10grand for all this.


its one thing if i was sitting there in pain its a TOTALY another story when its your mother!

call me a mama's boy what ever but i do NOT like my mother being in pain and neglected!



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This is like a double egde sword for everyone.

I have experienced the ER and also see the perspective on the medical side.
(Wifey is a RN at Sherman Hospital)

Ken - sorry to hear about your mother and I hope she is doing fine

They have to take the emergency priority into account in the ER.
My wife has explained it to me, and they have to follow this rule not matter
what. It is just plain life and death. If someone comes in with chest pain and another guy with a gunshot wound to the shoulder. The guy with the chest pain will go in first. Even before a mother who is going in labor would have to wait.

Everything comes into play with the delay and the rise in insurance costs.
Every year - the shortage in medical staff gets worse. My wife will sometime need to monitor 5 to 25 patients, becuase of this shortage. This also includes Doctors as well.

Unless some huge changes happen.. this is going to get worse

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Anyone who has ever had a kidney stone would disagree with this.

Imagine you've NEVER had any history of kidney stones and then this happens to you:

Sudden onset of SEVERE back pain. You can hardly catch your breathe. You feel like you are going to faint. This continues for > 1 hour. You take a pee and you are peeing almost pure blood.

Would you go to the E/R or "schedule" an appointment ? Come on!

Then imagine going to the E/R and waiting 9 hours. Sucks.
been there..every bit of it..you forgot the part about feeling like a knife is in your back being twisted...not fun

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first of all cost is not the issue and hospitals don't make money while you waite in the Er. There may be a lot of people in the Er or Hospital,but if 90% of the people have no insurance, medicaid, or an HMO then they are loosing money. To even unserstand what money is made, you need to get the facts straight. Money is made in the private sector not the hospitals. When working in the hospital you have to see 100 patients in medicaid to even make 100.00 dollars. Those people do work hard, nurses, dr's,and other misc staff. Its just like when you are working hard and people pesk you to go faster or to finish a project faster. You tell them it takes time, even though they think that you are doing nothing, so before anyone blasts the health field, look at it through both eyes, because it is very hard work trying to figure out who needs help, and for ct,x-ray, labs and many other things it does take many staff to review, in order to get the accurate result. I have to call hospitals for my pts results many times,and they don't get done any faster.
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i know its hard work, thats why they need more people to give the proper care in a normal time lenth. "PERIOD"



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my rant is we need MORE people giving health care.

plain and simple was my rant.



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ohh man not to mention the expence. I got into a car accident over the summer and spent 4 hours wating to get x-rayed, MRI ect. it was 6000 dollars. for spending that little bit of time in the ER. i agree the system needs to be re done so doctors who try and make you better by trying something cant be sued if the person dies. they were trying there best i think that is enough for them to go threw. then to have to worry about being sued. that explains why they get paid so much. i know i couldnt take being worried about all that.
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Glad your mom's OK.


Try dealing with it for the last seven years. All I have been doing is paying Medical bills, insurance crap and everything else.

Short story of my dealings;
Daughter hours old has open heart surgery. 300,000 plus total bill left with 40,000 to pay. Will family bill should only be 2500.00 out of pocket. NOT

Son born on Feb 2 of last year and son need surgery. Bills from Labor and Surgery. Out of pocket for the family debuc 2500.00 NOT

Wife has cancer surgery last year, 2500 family deduc. should have been met. NOT
Wife is seeing doc in March to be placed in Remission.

All I have been doing is paying for the last seven yrs.

Just when you think you have it bad, someone has it worst. Even worst then myself (family's self.)

The system just plain sucks, both insurance and medical coverage.

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man sorry to hear about that, prayers for everyone in your family.



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man sorry to hear about that, prayers for everyone in your family.

I say thank you, but you don't need to be sorry my family. We have never asked for people to feel sorry for us. Not many people know about it, but that all changed now.

It is how the cards are dealt in life and you play your cards dealt the best you can. That's all.

Just remember, when you think you have it bad, someone always has it worst.

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