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What's safer in head-on collision, F-150 or Mini Cooper?

40mph head-on into an offset barrier:




An old article, but interesting nonetheless.

http://www.bridger.us/2002/12/16/Cra...operVsFordF150

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Interesting!

BUT then again not really fair.....It was a FORD after all.

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Nice, is that what the Explorer is based on?

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Damn

I'm not sure that's what Mercedes was going for when they introduced crumple zones to the world. But leave it to the engineers at Ford to interpret it that way.

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Let's see that again, only this time let's see what happens when a semi rolls over on top of them. Better yet, Let's put em' in a figure 8 and let them at each other.

Kinda reminds me of my Chevy Geo. I got rear ended by a hit and run driver on the Dan Ryan with my entire family in the car. The car was launched into the air by the Chevy Impala that hit us. All that happened to the car was $1800 in damage. There were no injuries. All that but when I took the car to the car wash, the top blower for the dryer would collapse the roof if they didn't pull it up as the Geo went through.

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I think the article starts out unfairly. You can't really say a head on accident between the two vehicles will result in the mini being safer. You have to take into account momentum. I think the Ford weighs at least twice as much as the Mini, so theoreticaly (sp?) it will transmit 2X the energy into the mini as the Mini would on the Ford. Hitting a stationary object only transmits the energy your vehicle carries into the crash, but in a head on accident energy is compounded by the momentum carried by both vehicles.

At 40 mph in a head on accident both these vehicles would be toast and so would the drivers.

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Passenger cars and minivans have higher safety requirements then pick-up trucks. SUV standard is same as pick-up. That is why, people are saying that any minivan is safer then a SUV. same goes for cars as well. My sister rear ended an Expedition with a 2000 Pontiac Grand Prix and totaled the SUV while her car had minor damages, she drove it to the shop!!!

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My sister rear ended an Expedition with a 2000 Pontiac Grand Prix and totaled the SUV while her car had minor damages, she drove it to the shop!!!
Whoa! That's pretty bad.

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I think the article starts out unfairly. You can't really say a head on accident between the two vehicles will result in the mini being safer. You have to take into account momentum. I think the Ford weighs at least twice as much as the Mini, so theoreticaly (sp?) it will transmit 2X the energy into the mini as the Mini would on the Ford. Hitting a stationary object only transmits the energy your vehicle carries into the crash, but in a head on accident energy is compounded by the momentum carried by both vehicles.
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I think the article starts out unfairly. You can't really say a head on accident between the two vehicles will result in the mini being safer. You have to take into account momentum. I think the Ford weighs at least twice as much as the Mini, so theoreticaly (sp?) it will transmit 2X the energy into the mini as the Mini would on the Ford. Hitting a stationary object only transmits the energy your vehicle carries into the crash, but in a head on accident energy is compounded by the momentum carried by both vehicles.

At 40 mph in a head on accident both these vehicles would be toast and so would the drivers.
yet the numbers mentioned in the article show that there is a lot of deaths involved in the F150. Doubt they all are hittin a wall.

as for 40mph head on, not true either. My buddy got in a 50mph (both cars) head on and granted he didn't quite walk away, was far from being a toast.
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yet the numbers mentioned in the article show that there is a lot of deaths involved in the F150. Doubt they all are hittin a wall.

as for 40mph head on, not true either. My buddy got in a 50mph (both cars) head on and granted he didn't quite walk away, was far from being a toast.
If both cars are equal in weight and it is a true head on and not just a glancing blow the rate of impact would be equal to 100 mph hitting a wall. I don't car how the car is built or what safety devise you use you will probably die. Even in fully caged race cars with restraints and helmet, etc. you hit a wall at 100 mph your brain will get a cranial pounding. Your friend is extremely lucky.

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It's not that I don't think the Mini is safer, it probably is, generally speaking. I survived a 80 mph crash in a CRX, no seatbelt. Walked away, actually, walked to the ambulance.

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Yup... the heavier teh car, the bigger the disadvantage when you hit a fixed object.

I argued once with my ex that my 3200lb Accord was safer in almost every type of accident than her 3600lb GMC Sonoma pickup. The Accord also handles better, stops better, has smaller dimensions and side air bags. I'd rather hit a tree in my Accrod than a Mid sized pickup or even a full size.
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Even in fully caged race cars with restraints and helmet, etc. you hit a wall at 100 mph your brain will get a cranial pounding.
That and one of the valves on your heart literally sheers off from the g-force generated by the seat belt stopping you so quickly. This affects middle age adults and older people more than those who are younger due to differences in the heart tissue strength and flexibility. Pretty wild though.

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That and one of the valves on your heart literally sheers off from the g-force generated by the seat belt stopping you so quickly. This affects middle age adults and older people more than those who are younger due to differences in the heart tissue strength and flexibility. Pretty wild though.
I shouldn't have to worry about that since I'm sure my arteries are generously coated with a layer of cream filling from all the Twinkies and Ho Ho's I've eaten all of my life. I'm quite positive I'm "self-sealing" by now.

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I shouldn't have to worry about that since I'm sure my arteries are generously coated with a layer of cream filling from all the Twinkies and Ho Ho's I've eaten all of my life. I'm quite positive I'm "self-sealing" by now.
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so wouldn't a fiero be safe in an accident? It was rated 2nd best car in a wreck in the 80s


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Now they should test a truck that doesnt have those stupid reverse opening 3rd and 4th doors. Cab wont bend like that. Also framed vehicles respond differently in crashes than unibodied vehicles. That ford looked like the frame rail just skimmed the side of the barrier.


OK put the mini vs the F150 in a simulated side impact and see who wins? First the mini gets to tbone the F150, then the f150 gets to tbone the mini.
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Now they should test a truck that doesnt have those stupid reverse opening 3rd and 4th doors. Cab wont bend like that. Also framed vehicles respond differently in crashes than unibodied vehicles. That ford looked like the frame rail just skimmed the side of the barrier.


OK put the mini vs the F150 in a simulated side impact and see who wins? First the mini gets to tbone the F150, then the f150 gets to tbone the mini.

How often does a car get T-boned? Most accidents are from the front and back.


Once the mini proves that it is safer in a T-bone accident are you going to come up with an excuse to drop them on there roofs to try to say that the F-150 will be safer. Fact is these SUV's and pick ups nowadays are not as safe as people think. BTW I don't own a Mini.
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How often does a car get T-boned? Most accidents are from the front and back.


Once the mini proves that it is safer in a T-bone accident are you going to come up with an excuse to drop them on there roofs to try to say that the F-150 will be safer. Fact is these SUV's and pick ups nowadays are not as safe as people think. BTW I don't own a Mini.

dont have a percentage. but if you watch cops, the guy running away, usually tbones someone at the intersection. This also happens with people running red lights.

And i bet the highest percentage are people who cut off motorcycles and have the bike tbone into the car.
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How often does a car get T-boned? Most accidents are from the front and back.


Once the mini proves that it is safer in a T-bone accident are you going to come up with an excuse to drop them on there roofs to try to say that the F-150 will be safer. Fact is these SUV's and pick ups nowadays are not as safe as people think. BTW I don't own a Mini.
Up here tbones are common.

I know SUV's arent that safe, thats just common sense. Then again you could be driving the safest vehicle in teh world and still end up killing yourself if you are a pathetic driver. If a moron is dumb enough to pull out infront of a LARGE VEHICLE, they deserve everything coming to them.

Weird that the more safety equipment goes into a vehicle, the less people are concerned with driving safely? Hey my car has side airbags, I can pull out in front of people and they should stop. Thats the mentality nowadays. No one thinks behind the wheel. Take all airbags out of cars and trucks and see how fast people start driving safer (then again they should never been required in the first place). My sonoma wasnt considered a "safe" truck because of crash tests. Well key thing is to NOT GET INTO AN ACCIDENT in the first place. Worst street crash was hitting a deer. Everything else was just a bump.
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