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post #1 of 16 (permalink) Old 04-11-2005, 12:25 AM Thread Starter
 
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Another Crash vid while passing

http://media2.big-boys.com/media/bikecrash55.wmv

passes a RX300 Lexus on a double yellow, definitly his fault.
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post #4 of 16 (permalink) Old 04-11-2005, 03:07 AM
 
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Biker deserved that....poor lexus owner....
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Damn....double yellow = bad idea

That SUV driver did not use his turn signal (that I can tell from the video), so if that happened in a legal passing section that would be a different issue.

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Damn....double yellow = bad idea

That SUV driver did not use his turn signal (that I can tell from the video), so if that happened in a legal passing section that would be a different issue.
SUV didn't turn it just followed the road, the bike in front actually exited the road onto another. You can see the sign in the video. Real stupid riding, at least it made for a memorable vid.

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SUV didn't turn it just followed the road, the bike in front actually exited the road onto another. You can see the sign in the video. Real stupid riding, at least it made for a memorable vid.
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Damn....double yellow = bad idea

That SUV driver did not use his turn signal (that I can tell from the video), so if that happened in a legal passing section that would be a different issue.
looking at the video, it looked like the road curved and the front guy went straight, the lexus was just following the road. The only thing that the lexus is at fault is because they didn't know what was going on around them at all times, my opinion when you are driving you should always know what is around you, what is behind you, how close is it, what is in front of you, on either side of you and most importantly what exists on your blind spots.

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looking at the video, it looked like the road curved and the front guy went straight, the lexus was just following the road. The only thing that the lexus is at fault is because they didn't know what was going on around them at all times, my opinion when you are driving you should always know what is around you, what is behind you, how close is it, what is in front of you, on either side of you and most importantly what exists on your blind spots.
Um, you really think the Lexus driver was at fault on any level? He was driving along following the road and someone made an illegal pass and t-boned him.

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Um, you really think the Lexus driver was at fault on any level? He was driving along following the road and someone made an illegal pass and t-boned him.
no, but 99% of all accidents can have the blame put on both people to some extent. If the person in the lexus would have been alert enough that somebody was doing something stupid on a motorcycle next to him (which he should have known there was two bikes behind him, and he saw the first one pass him) he would have the decency to hit the brakes and wait for the bike. It's like when somebody pulls out in front of you and you swerve (riding or driving) you were heads up enough to know that you had an escape path and got out of the way. Had you not swerved the accident wouldn't have been your fault (by insurance or law) but in reality, you would have been slightly at fault for not being alert enough to swerve. just a overly bland example, try not to look into it to much

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Crap, I watched it again and your right! There is clearly a sign marking a suggest 15mph speed on the approaching left turn. The biker simply screwed up big time on that one, pass or not. He was probably more concerned with following his buddy than following the road rules.

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no, but 99% of all accidents can have the blame put on both people to some extent.
That's quite a statistic, do you have a source for that? I find it hard to believe that if I'm driving down a road as that Lexus was doing that I would have ANY sort of blame on my end.

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Crap, I watched it again and your right! There is clearly a sign marking a suggest 15mph speed on the approaching left turn. The biker simply screwed up big time on that one, pass or not. He was probably more concerned with following his buddy than following the road rules.



That's quite a statistic, do you have a source for that? I find it hard to believe that if I'm driving down a road as that Lexus was doing that I would have ANY sort of blame on my end.
years and years of speeding tickets resulted in alot of traffic school. I just happened to remember that from traffic school. I wouldn't blame the Lexus, it wasn't his/her fault but the Lexus wasn't as alert as they should have been driving a motor vehicle

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First of all -- ouch!
And yeah, it wasn't even the double yellow line. The SUV just followed the curved rode.

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Crap, I watched it again and your right! There is clearly a sign marking a suggest 15mph speed on the approaching left turn. The biker simply screwed up big time on that one, pass or not. He was probably more concerned with following his buddy than following the road rules.
When I first watched the vid it looked like the Lexus was in the wrong, he hit his brakes and turned into the bike... even if the bike passed on a double yellow which was also stupid, but the Lexus didn't use his signals.

I watched it a few more times and Sharach is totally right, the ROAD turns to the left, there's a sign that shows it. The front rider went straight and the filming bike was dumb enough to try to follow his buddy.

My end though: Pay Attention! That rider now has to pay for his bike and the damage to a Lexus SUV. OUCH!

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it wasn't his/her fault but the Lexus wasn't as alert as they should have been driving a motor vehicle
Maybe, maybe not. There is no reason for the Lexus driver to believe that he was about to be passed while already doing around 50 mph and with a 90 degree turn coming up and on a double yellow. The second bike could easily have been positioned in a blind spot and very likely the driver was still reacting to the first bike having passed.

The good news is that the whole incident is on video.

There may have been actions the Lexus driver might have taken to avoid this, but what we know for sure is the situation should have never presented itself in the first place.

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post #16 of 16 (permalink) Old 04-11-2005, 02:23 PM Thread Starter
 
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lets just put this to rest, the Lexus guy was on the Cell phone and saw the first bike pass and was like holy shit did you see that to the passanger looking over and made his turn and cut the other bike off without looking at the road. (He was probably changing the radio station at the same time, or watching his Nav computer on the dash)

We all know this is what really happened. But I'm sure there was at least a 75% chance it was a woman. ooooohh Sorry, just couldn't resist.
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