Originally Posted by tWisTEd
Ahh, spoken like a true virgin to retail sales.
I am far from a newbie to sales, I just find it silly how people want the cheapest price for everything and at the same time want the best service and support and people are supprised that so many people are losing their jobs to cheap labor overseas. we buying ourselves into the ground here folks and the old addage holds true
THE BEST DEAL IS NOT ALWAYS THE CHEAPEST PRICE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ps the job you save could be your own.
Really? Expeienced? No offense my friend but I worked with your boss Jerry for 5 years. Your manager Stu? I trained him from never selling anything. How come I'm not at Cycle Center then? I was invited (by Fokus and Haubner) and I passed. It's a crap business with very limited income. If you're good, knowldegeable and hungry. . . maybe
you'll make 50K this year (in sales). Crap. Working every Saturday and putting up with us "cheap" bastards for 50+ hours a week?! Hey, someones got to do it. . . good luck.
I had some great fun and met many cool people but I was a kid then. I delivered the bike (Yamaha dirt bike) I sold to Erik Buel on my day off because I could see his factory! Remember my advice and this post in a few years when you're done.
Originally Posted by FANTAZ28
motorcycle dealerships realy dont make that much money! i was the sales and finance manager at woodfield motorsports till they decided to change everything and most of you know me. Do you konw what happins when you sit on bikes for a year? or 2? or maybe a snowmobile for 3 years, you have to pay intrest and it might be low it adds up when you have to pay for 200 units! and this has nothing to do with them being there for being over priced, its just how the market is!
some of you guys that own you're own business, do you do it to make nothing? or next to nothing? come on guys there is alot more that goes into selling bikes than just invoice and retail! for you guys that say ive worked here and there and freight is bs , let me ask you something did you guys have the bikes build by midwest set up? that is the main set up company in the area and guess what they charge you to build and deliver you're bikes!!!! and when it gets to the shop you still have ot put oil and time and gas in the bike! and all of that cost money, so while the manufacture dosent care for the dealers and keeps cutting the margin the dealer still has to pay for the stuff,
"motorcycle dealerships realy dont make that much money!" Really?! Maybe you were just working for the wrong one!
As a manager and then GM I saw many, many dollars coming in! (I wished I could have had some ownership!) And yes, as a GM I saw EVERYTHING.
". . . it adds up when you have to pay for 200 units!" 200 non current units?! Yikes! How poorly managed was that place?
Originally Posted by FANTAZ28
to the guys that say " i wish i can buy online" yes it might be true to save money but what about if you need help? i know most motorcycle salesman are dicks but there are few that are good and will help you and will take hours and show you what you want and need! i took alot of pride in selling bikes and soem of you that bought from me can vouch for that! i mean you can buy houses online and save the commission fee and stuff but would you do that?
For taking time and helping guideing customers, you were one of the few. I personally sacrificed much greater income by being "nice". But, as an enthusiast I wouldn't have done it any other way.
And for buying a home online to save the comish. . . hell yeah! Why would I give some schmuck $5000 to $20000 (to his company - I know they'll get about 25%) to walk me through a house! A real estate agent (no college required, no big skills, just look nice on the sign in front of my home) should make $5000 in pocket for spending 2 hours showing me 5 homes! Ha ha! Not if I can help it!
Originally Posted by FANTAZ28
now on to the finance office! yes they sell you extras do you need them? it all depends are they real? YES! alot of people buy warrientys and guess what if you ever use it, it will pay for it self!! now you guys are gonna say "yeah if you ever use it!" well guess what when was the last time you used you're auto insurance? or you're medical insurance? or homeowners insurance? propibly not in a while if ever but guess what when you do it will pay off! do dealerships make money off of warrienty? yes they do and why shouldnt they? i mean you're insurance man makes money off of you're insurance and so on and so on... on to the finance charge. yes dealerships can make money off of you financing but not always again this is where the manufacture screws the dealer, they offer very low rates with no "kick back" so while the finance manager takes you're app and gets it approved and files the paper work for you and does all of that, do you konw what they pay him? NOTHING! now if you do go through a local bank yes they will raise the points to make a little money but again they are doing something, how many people here have gone to there bank for a loan? and also have gone to a dealership for a loan? and whats faster? and easier? the dealership! do you konw why cause you have a guy that takes car of everything for you, now isnt that nice? its a service just like if you get you're yard cut by a landscaping service. i mean you can say "hey man, you used like a gallon of gas today and nothing else so can i just pay you 2.35 for cutting my grass?" no thats not how it works. he worked and did a SERVICE for you and he should make money.
Warranties? On a jap bike?! I still have my '92 CBR600F2 that has been beat to hell. Did I mention I bought it new?! Always chainged the oil and always let her warm up but we've done track days, learned to do wheelies, actually road it to Ohio and wasted many rear tires showing off. No easy miles. DID IT EVER BREAK?
I've seen very few owners actually use their warranty. A dozen people in 5 years! Me? I'll save the money and roll the dice.
Also if you're sore about getting paid very little to run a finance app, get out of retail and get out of the powersports/auto industry. I did I can't believe how much time I wasted. Fun. Lots of cool people and great situations. But overall income for the amount of time wasted er, uh. . . spent. Yeah, time spent is what I meant to say! The internet has taken away a lot of the "magic" and has educated the masses.
Originally Posted by FANTAZ28
some guy said that "motorcycle salesman are order takers" yes in some casses thats true, but for the most part it is not, a good motorcycle salesman can help a ton and again ask some of my costumers. i used to have people all ages coem in and say "ive never riddin and i wanna ride , what should i buy? and guess what it would take about 3 one hour visits before you fit them on the right bike ! and do you mean to tell me that the dealership that is paying this salesman and everything else for this costumer to come in and sit on 30 diffrent bikes, and be in a heated or cooled place should not make money? i cant tell you how many costumers used to tip me cause they were so pleased!! do you think they would care if you said " hey you could've saved a hundo if you went there" no they wouldnt cause they were happy with the "service " they got!
im a big car guy and people used to always say "support you're local speed shop" and you konw what its true everyone should! cause everyone just orders off the internet to save a few bucks but before you konw it they local shops close down and when you need a part like NOW! you cant get it. and its not cause they were trying to ripp you off its just the fact that they have way more overhead!
now i understand 100 percent about some of the dealerships and salesman that are out to screw you but you konw what you would never have to deal with that if you "build relation" with ONE dealer and keep going back! trust me they will remember you and they will give you a break
so guys support you're local dealership!
p.s. look for my used motorcycle dealership early 2006
It's called competition. The cheaper guy will almost always win. I too have had peolple say "Dealer XXXXX was a few bucks cheaper but you really explained everything and spent the time to educate me." More often I've called a prospect and got the "I drove 90 minutes to save $35" speech. Whatever
I too have been offered tips but I would never except them. Kind of cheasy in my opinion. I would say "If I really made you that happy, send others my way or get your next bike from me."
Support your local dealer that takes care of you!
I'll pay more for service at 4&6 because of experience. I'll pay more at dealer A because they have 120 R1's and will cut me a deal. I'm not paying a lot more because someone was "nice". I'm pretty sure many others feel that way.
Lastly, if you say that is "motorcycle dealerships don't make that much money", why would we be watching for your used motorcycle dealership early 2006?