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post #1 of 40 (permalink) Old 06-03-2005, 10:29 AM Thread Starter
 
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Police shoot teen to end bulldozer chase

Taken from CNN.com, my only question is can't a bunch of officers overpower a single 14 year old pretty easily in such a slow moving vehicle? Maybe try that tazer? Seems to be the in thing now.


(CNN) -- A 14-year-old boy who allegedly stole a bulldozer and led Tucson, Arizona, police on a 15-mile chase was critically wounded Thursday night when officers fired on the tractor as it sped toward them, a police official said.

The unidentified teen was in critical condition after being airlifted to a hospital, according to Tucson Assistant Police Chief Kermit Miller.

He apparently began his ride after stealing the large earthmover from a construction site, Miller said.

The chase began at about 8 p.m. (10 p.m. EDT) after police noticed scattered power outages in a neighborhood on Tucson's east side. They soon realized the Caterpillar bulldozer had knocked down utility poles along the road, Miller said.

He said the teen drove the construction vehicle up to 30 miles per hour at times with as many as 15 police cruisers chasing him.

After a 15-mile chase, the bulldozer turned around in an eastside Tucson residential area and began driving downhill toward the police cruisers, Miller said. That was when two officers fired shots, with at least one round hitting the teen, Miller said.

"We're assuming he was going to go over the vehicles in the roadway with the officers in them," Miller said.

Miller said police had no other way to stop the large vehicle other than to shoot.

There were no other injuries, Miller said.

Along the chase route, some utility poles and other property was damaged, he said
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I'm sure they exercised every option before opening fire to stop the driver. If I was there and he was about to run of people, I'd do the same.

People need to learn they can't just do whatever the fuck they want (14 years old or not) and not end up suffering the concesquences. Like that guy that stole the tank a few years back and ended up getting killed by a single round fired into the tank from the open hatch.

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biggy - how the hell do ya taze someone that's traveling in a bulldozer at 30MPH?
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Not to mention the fact there is no way you can "jump" onto a moving bulldozer. The treads would rip you apart due to their movements. A tazer would need to be a precise hit and as he is jumping and shaking he falls off onto the tracks -- now the PD is liable.

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Not to mention the fact there is no way you can "jump" onto a moving bulldozer. The treads would rip you apart due to their movements. A tazer would need to be a precise hit and as he is jumping and shaking he falls off onto the tracks -- now the PD is liable.

Its a bad situation--
He could fall from a gun shot too. I'm just playing devils advocate on this one.
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my question, why did he turn around? you ever see police chase videos were people turned around and it worked?

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Great Job for the cops!!!!!!

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I love threads like this where we try to second guess the cops and try to provide our tactical expertise, because all of us who hang out on a motorcycle board are tactical experts or at least stayed at a holiday inn express last night.

I know of about 4 people on this board that would have any real insite to what actually should be done in this case, and I'm not mentioning thier names, they know who they are. Trust me, if the cops opened fire it was, at the time, thier last resort.




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I love threads like this where we try to second guess the cops and try to provide our tactical expertise, because all of us who hang out on a motorcycle board are tactical experts or at least stayed at a holiday inn express last night.

I know of about 4 people on this board that would have any real insite to what actually should be done in this case, and I'm not mentioning thier names, they know who they are. Trust me, if the cops opened fire it was, at the time, thier last resort.
Oh yea...cops never mess up or accidentally discharge their weapon or 'accidentally' hit bikers as they pull them over. Nah, we should never question, judge, or have any opinion about the police because they always do the right thing
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Oh yea...cops never mess up or accidentally discharge their weapon or 'accidentally' hit bikers as they pull them over. Nah, we should never question, judge, or have any opinion about the police because they always do the right thing
You can do any of that you want, I'm not arguing with you, I just think its funny.




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couldn't they just have lured it onto an electrically charged plate and zapped it like in Killdozer(the movie not the band)



I feel for the family, oh well though, WTF was he doing stealing a bulldozer?

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You can do any of that you want, I'm not arguing with you, I just think its funny.
Majority of the time, the correct thing is done. I don't disagree with that. But cops are only human and just as prone to make an error. That's why I brought it up.

They could've tried stop sticks too.
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Majority of the time, the correct thing is done. I don't disagree with that. But cops are only human and just as prone to make an error. That's why I brought it up.

They could've tried stop sticks too.
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Majority of the time, the correct thing is done. I don't disagree with that. But cops are only human and just as prone to make an error. That's why I brought it up.

They could've tried stop sticks too.
Ya I know I agree, sometimes they do screw up.


shorting out the electrical system might have worked but who knows if they had that availale to them, not every dept has a full aray of options. If it were me I probably would have shot him in the shoulder or something. Most likly a good officer was aiming for the shoulder, but if youve ever been around heavy equipment, they move very jerky, holding an aim like that would not be easy.




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Ya I know I agree, sometimes they do screw up.


shorting out the electrical system might have worked but who knows if they had that availale to them, not every dept has a full aray of options. If it were me I probably would have shot him in the shoulder or something. Most likly a good officer was aiming for the shoulder, but if youve ever been around heavy equipment, they move very jerky, holding an aim like that would not be easy.
Yea but it tops out at 30...gotta figure it takes a while for it to get up to that speed. I would just kept pounding him with the bean bag shot guns or rubber bullets. Those would be more fun because you get to keep shooting too.
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You guys are getting way to technical, tazers, stop sticks (what the hell is a stop stick ), shorting the electrical system, etc. Shooting the kid was there only means of protecting the public. The police are suppose to PROTECT AND SERVE, correct?

Here's to the police who shot the kid and saved more lives doing so
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Stops sticks wouldn't work on a bulldozer, they're those long strap things to puncture tires.

I was kidding about the electrical plate(killdozer)

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Do you realize the mountain of shit that hits if/when a LEO discharges their weapon in the line of duty?

It's not like in the movies where you mow down a bunch of bad guys and the captain yells at you for 2 minutes, then you go home and everything's fine. I bet most LEOs dread the situation where they are forced to fire.

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Stops sticks wouldn't work on a bulldozer, they're those long strap things to puncture tires.

I was kidding about the electrical plate(killdozer)
and I was kidding about the stop sticks
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I'm sure they exercised every option before opening fire to stop the driver. If I was there and he was about to run of people, I'd do the same.

People need to learn they can't just do whatever the fuck they want (14 years old or not) and not end up suffering the concesquences. Like that guy that stole the tank a few years back and ended up getting killed by a single round fired into the tank from the open hatch.
Very true and good for the cops. Next time go play at the arcade instead of stealing a bulldozer. Cheaper & you won't get into trouble. I swear they are popping out kids now adays that happen to become more stupid as they age.
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Plus the cops didnt put that kid in the bulldozer, he did that himself. He put the cops in that situation and its his fault they had to shoot.




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The cops could have been squashed like in the austin power movie when austin was driving the roller at 2mph.

+1 on being the kids fault. Damn soccer moms that cut in front of motorcycles that teach their kids no moral values.

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They shot the kid because he was a CHRISTIAN, FUNDAMENTALIST, CREATIONISM, POCKET BIKE RACER who in a fit of rage over losing a race rode his PIT EARTH MOVER on the street without a license.

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As it turns out I was just bored and waiting for the pizza.

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He could fall from a gun shot too. I'm just playing devils advocate on this one.

then your an idiot, to question and play reverus role roll, on what needed to be dumb is, to be dumb ass.

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Oh yea...cops never mess up or accidentally discharge their weapon or 'accidentally' hit bikers as they pull them over. Nah, we should never question, judge, or have any opinion about the police because they always do the right thing

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