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Moto Gp - soon to be 800cc!!

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Here's the news story:

MotoGP News Article

From Yahoo UK News:
MotoGP 800cc from 2007.
Sat 04 Jun, 4:11 PM

The Grand Prix Commission - composed of Carmelo Ezpeleta (Dorna), Claude Danis (FIM), Sito Pons (IRTA) and Takanao Tsubouchi (MSMA) - has today confirmed that MotoGP engine capacity will be reduced from 990cc to 800cc for the 2007 season onwards.

The much rumoured move has been prompted by the need to reduce speeds - indeed; so far at this weekend's Italian Grand Prix all but 4 of the 21 MotoGP machines have broken the 200mph barrier, with Carlos Checa's Ducati hitting almost 210mph along the Mugello main straight.

The new capacity limit replaces a less radical rule announced last June, which declared that MotoGP engines would be reduced to 900cc for 2007.

Unlike the 900cc rule, the 800cc capacity is likely to force teams to substantially redesign their GP machines, with new cylinder configurations likely and more 'peaky' power-curve characteristics as the engine emphasis moves from 'rider-friendly' to 'maximum revs'.

The 800cc limit will run for a minimum of five-years, assuring manufacturers of stability in return for the new engineering investment needed. Fuel capacity for the 800cc machines will be limited to 21 litres.

Meanwhile, two-stroke MotoGP engines - of which there are currently none - will be officially consigned to history with the additional news that from 2007 they will not be allowed in the premier-class.

This decision was necessary to ensure the four-stroke future of the premier-class, since a 500cc two-stroke (as presently allowed) could potentially be very competitive against a 800cc four-stroke, possibly promoting something of a two-stroke revival - something neither the major manufacturers or the sport in general wants.
Well, this is the same thing they're doing in Formula 1, reducing the engines from 3.0L V10's to 2.4L V8's. I dont know if it really reduces cost that much for the teams, they got to spend even more money developing this new formula But I guess, it keeps it interesting for the fans. I follow F1 more closely and they're trying to reduce speed with so many measures, but the lap times keep dropping year after year. The designers are just challenged to find speed in other areas.

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very cool!

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I feel this is going to make it very interesting.
The bikes will get smaller as far as the engine is concerned but it will be great to see the engineers come up with something which makes them even faster than the current bikes.
The rate at which rossi and the boys are breaking records I expect they will try even harder.Some new new challeges for rossi(personally I think he'll be pretty bored after he wins this season)
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Good riders can adapt to the regulation changes. Racin is racin and I can't forsee any drop in the quality of the racing. Rider skill will still be the most important factor.
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hey, the factories can then sell the exact MotoGP bikes from 2005! Sweet.

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hey, the factories can then sell the exact MotoGP bikes from 2005! Sweet.

That'll be really awesome but also amazingly expensive
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I think its cool. I wonder if we'll be seeing gsxr 800s and yamaha R8s for sale in 2007 then?
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As it is they have to hold the power back with engine management, there's too much power for traction.
They'll come up with wild technology to be over 200 hp.
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hey, the factories can then sell the exact MotoGP bikes from 2005! Sweet.
Pretty hard to ride those things anywhere but the track, and you better have the skills of Biaggia or Rossi, because those machine are evil creations that will maim or kill the average rider.

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Pretty hard to ride those things anywhere but the track, and you better have the skills of Biaggia or Rossi, because those machine are evil creations that will maim or kill the average rider.

Not quite so. While they are definately NOT for novices, with all the electronic do-dads on there to manage the traction, every magazine reporter (who, at the best, are mid-level club racers) says most of them aren't THAT difficult to ride.

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from what I was reading on another board, this isn't official, but Honda is trying to get this to happen, but all of the other teams are against it, some are for a reduction to 900cc's but nobody to 800cc's. The reason to 900 was they could get away with short stroking there current motors, which would give them time to develop a proper 800cc motor without the costs of trying to develop and test one between now and the start of the 2007 season (which would mean they would need prototype bikes by like next year)

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I think its cool. I wonder if we'll be seeing gsxr 800s and yamaha R8s for sale in 2007 then?

not unless WSB and AMA change all the rules too.
MotoGP bikes can't use production platforms
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not unless WSB and AMA change all the rules too.
MotoGP bikes can't use production platforms
That's what I was thinking. So, are MotoGP bikes built with a totally different architecture than their production bikes, or do they use some similar technologies? I know they're designed from the scratch up, but what I'm asking is do the factories have a different design philosophy for their MotoGP bikes.

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That's what I was thinking. So, are MotoGP bikes built with a totally different architecture than their production bikes, or do they use some similar technologies? I know they're designed from the scratch up, but what I'm asking is do the factories have a different design philosophy for their MotoGP bikes.
I would think they have a completely different design philosphy when building the motogp bikes for sure. compared to a production bike, there would be very little concern for budget, or long term reliability, not to mention a lot of other things...
but the gp bike isn't always completely different from the production bike. I've read that the Kawi GP bike is pretty similar to the ZX10 in AMA/WSB. The GP just cannot share any parts with the production bikes.
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this should be interesting alright
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from what I was reading on another board, this isn't official, but Honda is trying to get this to happen, but all of the other teams are against it, some are for a reduction to 900cc's but nobody to 800cc's. The reason to 900 was they could get away with short stroking there current motors, which would give them time to develop a proper 800cc motor without the costs of trying to develop and test one between now and the start of the 2007 season (which would mean they would need prototype bikes by like next year)
From what I read Honda already has a 800cc bike ready which is undergoing testing currently. That is why they are pushing for the change as they know that it will be hard for the others to catch up and honda wants to win again after losing rossi to Yamaha.
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