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DAMN!!! Replace furnace & cetral air.

Would'nt you know it!!! Yesterday the AC goes out at home!

Fan runs, condenser fan runs, but no cool air! Voltage good, control voltage good, capacitor good, compressor BAD!

In all honesty--Furnace is NOT EFFICIENT- (26 years old & The central air is also in the same boat being 22 years old)

Oh well-----Time for a new Energy Efficient furnace and C/A!

Just not looking forward to spending 6 grand! it could be cheaper but i want all the bells & whistles!

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Would'nt you know it!!! Yesterday the AC goes out at home!

Fan runs, condenser fan runs, but no cool air! Voltage good, control voltage good, capacitor good, compressor BAD!

In all honesty--Furnace is NOT EFFICIENT- (26 years old & The central air is also in the same boat being 22 years old)

Oh well-----Time for a new Energy Efficient furnace and C/A!

Just not looking forward to spending 6 grand! it could be cheaper but i want all the bells & whistles!

Just had to vent a little!
On the upside the efficiency should pay for itself over the next few years

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That does suck!!! but at least the new stuff will be nice.




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speaking of this, what is the best way to maximize volume of cold air getting to my 2nd floor?

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Go in your basement and you sould have butterfly nuts on your duct work right before it goes into the wall. loosen the nut and turn the center post with a pair of pliers which will turn the inside flap and close off the duct on the ones for the first floor. now all air will be going to second floor. I would keep one or two open downstairs also, especially in the family room to keep you A/V equipment cool.




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Go in your basement and you sould have butterfly nuts on your duct work right before it goes into the wall. loosen the nut and turn the center post with a pair of pliers which will turn the inside flap and close off the duct on the ones for the first floor. now all air will be going to second floor. I would keep one or two open downstairs also, especially in the family room to keep you A/V equipment cool.
negative, i've checked the ductwork before. no butterfly nuts that I can find.

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speaking of this, what is the best way to maximize volume of cold air getting to my 2nd floor?
When I was a kid, my pops put booster fans in the duct work for the two rooms farthest away from the furnace. They went on automatically whenever the furnace or A/C ran. Helped both rooms (on the second floor) get warmer in the winter, and cooler in the summer..........Just a suggestion.

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Butterfly nuts are tiny....be sure to spread the wings fully.
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Butterfly nuts are tiny....be sure to spread the wings fully.
you're hilarious.

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Butterfly nuts are tiny....be sure to spread the wings fully.

You need a magnifying glass too!

Vcook, you still want him to take a look?

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Well i found the unit.........

TRANE High efficiency furnace with Variable frequency drive 2 stage motor which all runs on DC. 90% efficiency with 13 SEER. (Original was like 4) Full Trane central air/ A-Coil and condenser with all new copper and new humidifier. 10 years PARTS and LABOR on every portion of the system including gaurentee of 1 hr response time on all calls 7 days a week!! THATS AWESOME!! Manufacturer warranty of 25 years!

Sounded pretty sweet at the time. They all did load calcs and my original furnace a/c was undersized 1/4 ton so they upsized it to a 3 ton which is 1/2 ton more and should be plenty now!

They said due to my electric bills in the summer for the last 3 years i should save and additional $122 a month and in the summer roughly 49%!!!

in less than 6 years it will pay for itself!!!

Everything with installation is $6200!! Not bad since i went with a Trane and they were cheaper than 3 other estimates.

DOWN SIDE---- They install it this Saturday or i wait for 11 days!

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negative, i've checked the ductwork before. no butterfly nuts that I can find.

Check again Chris....it's code in most cities.

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just for kicks I got an american standard

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Well i found the unit.........

TRANE High efficiency furnace with Variable frequency drive 2 stage motor which all runs on DC. 90% efficiency with 13 SEER. (Original was like 4) Full Trane central air/ A-Coil and condenser with all new copper and new humidifier. 10 years PARTS and LABOR on every portion of the system including gaurentee of 1 hr response time on all calls 7 days a week!! THATS AWESOME!! Manufacturer warranty of 25 years!

Sounded pretty sweet at the time. They all did load calcs and my original furnace a/c was undersized 1/4 ton so they upsized it to a 3 ton which is 1/2 ton more and should be plenty now!

They said due to my electric bills in the summer for the last 3 years i should save and additional $122 a month and in the summer roughly 49%!!!

in less than 6 years it will pay for itself!!!

Everything with installation is $6200!! Not bad since i went with a Trane and they were cheaper than 3 other estimates.

DOWN SIDE---- They install it this Saturday or i wait for 11 days!
Boy are you getting SCREWED! I can have an entire HOUSE done for less $$$, and a simple replacement for about $2500.

Hell, my brand new furnace(propane=more$$) only cost $700 to BUY! Must suck living down there w/ those prices.
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Boy are you getting SCREWED! I can have an entire HOUSE done for less $$$, and a simple replacement for about $2500.

Hell, my brand new furnace(propane=more$$) only cost $700 to BUY! Must suck living down there w/ those prices.

Markup on HVAC stuff is high. If you can buy/install it yourself, you can save serious money. I had a furnace and coil installed for a little more than that, and it was "better than friend" pricing. It's not really a Chicago area markup. That is part of the problem, but the only place you see that is in the truck/delivery charges. Some places do have good financing deals if you shop around. Friend got 1 year free financing on his furnace and got the same thing on his AC unit this week.

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Boy are you getting SCREWED! I can have an entire HOUSE done for less $$$, and a simple replacement for about $2500.

Hell, my brand new furnace(propane=more$$) only cost $700 to BUY! Must suck living down there w/ those prices.
Taz Taz Taz......I am not getting screwed. I have been in the industry long enough.

I will tell you what. If you can find me a Trane, 90% high efficiency,DC motor 2 stage with VFD, efficient 2 level stage burners, deep heat exchanger w/ 25year warranty, Humidifier,13 SEER A/C, AND
a FULL 10 year parts and labor installer warranty with a 1hr response time or $150 check, INSTALLED-- I will give YOU personally $500!

Mind you i could of went with a 10 seer CHEAPO furnace for $2000.

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Taz Taz Taz......I am not getting screwed. I have been in the industry long enough.

I will tell you what. If you can find me a Trane, 90% high efficiency,DC motor 2 stage with VFD, efficient 2 level stage burners, deep heat exchanger w/ 25year warranty, Humidifier,13 SEER A/C, AND
a FULL 10 year parts and labor installer warranty with a 1hr response time or $150 check, INSTALLED-- I will give YOU personally $500!

Mind you i could of went with a 10 seer CHEAPO furnace for $2000.
Ooooooh.....send the cash. I have 3 people that do this for a living. Naaaaah, that's not a fair fight........I get the friends and family discount.

I do know that if you can get the installer to show up at 3am when the fooker goes out, he MUST live close by and never sleep. Either that or it doesn't cover certain times of the day like a cell phone plan, especially in Chicago traffic.


I did, however, look up pricing on this stuff.....RUUD 100k BTU 94% w/ 3 ton 12 seer A/C unit costs about $2800 online........that labor cost really sucks!

BTW, American Standard owns all the brand names like Trane, Ruud, Lenox.....so pricing should be comparable.
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BTW, American Standard owns all the brand names like Trane, Ruud, Lenox.....so pricing should be comparable
really, and quality as well?

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I know Taz----

Yes Sticky he is correct about American Standard.

As far as the company goes and the 1 hr. deal they are concentrated in this area and they do have multiple vehicles in set up zones so they can keep the 1 hr promise--or like i said you get money if they dont make it.

contractors cost is nice as far as the $$$ go but yes its expensive with all the "Warranty" you get as well as the gaurentees.

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open the windows on the house and turn on a fan, now take all that money and make Busa 550 horsepower




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