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Home Owners: proportioning the air flow threw out the house..i got a problem

well i never had this problem before, but i do now

This has to do with keeping all the rooms at the same temp or darn close to the same temp.

i got all the air ducking equalizer vents in the basement closed here a touch, a few wide open...i did a good job, all the rooms only differ by 1 degree EXCEPT! the guest bedroom over the garage...that room is staying 4-5 degrees colder then all the other rooms, i have tried everything like even closing some of the vents down stairs and in one of the other bedrooms to kick some more pushed air into there while still keeping it very close to all the same temps in all the rooms.

Well, this bedroom is right over the garage, and I haven't heated the garage yet, don't know when I will get around to it, BUT i am thinking I will have to add (and I never did this before) an in line blower for the ducking that goes to that room.
Anyone done this before, DOES it work.

I talked to one of the head guys around here and he said yes that is always a problem with a bed room over a garage, and my idea is the best solution.

I just wanted to see if any of the hoomies around here ever did that and how good did it work?

the bed room is the farthest from the furnace and the longest section of forced air to be pumped into a room. its not a shared line its dedicated for that room, and you can hardly feel any flow from that vent (humm this just poped in my head, maybe i should check that diverter valve in that section to make sure they didnt align it wrong) but anyway, what ya guys think?



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Re: Home Owners: proportioning the air flow threw out the house..i got a problem

Ken,

that would probably work. I have the same problem. I bought two lizards and have heatlamps going all the time in there. that workd too. Sometimes it takes half the winter to get it right. I think getting an attic fan will help in the upstairs all together. I need to get some ceiling fans too, especially with my high ceilings. Let me know how that inline fan thing works for you though.

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what will an attic fan do?

i dont know about the lil tricks, the last house i had in orland was a tri-level home, and everything was fine in there, even out master bed room was over the garage too.

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Ken,

When I started reading about this, the first thing I thought of was an in line blower. Yeah, if that ducting run from the basement to the garage is longer than the others, you'll probably need an in line blower to make up for the pressure drop.

I'm sure there's somebody around here that knows a lot more than I do. I couldn't even tell you where to put it.

I have the same problem, but that's just because I decided to put a loveseat over the vent (my vents are on the floor), so my living room gets damn cold!

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what will an attic fan do?

i dont know about the lil tricks, the last house i had in orland was a tri-level home, and everything was fine in there, even out master bed room was over the garage too.

i dont know about this shit
Attic fans are more for the summer they blast the hot air out of the attic. I'm having more of a problem in the winter though. Cause we have the animals in the house we keep bathroom and closet doors closed. that blocks off their vents. Besides my upstairs vents don't seem to blow out air very strong anyway

Ceiling fans in the winter will help blow the hot air that rose to the ceiling back to the floor.

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I'm going out with a that friend I had you call for your A/C tonight. I'll ask him about the blower. Cause I may want one too.

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Ken one of my neighbors has a simular setup with a room over the garage. It was always colder no matter what he did. But once he heated his garage that room became a few degrees warmer than the other rooms. The garage is cooling that room down right now.


By the way what heater are you getting? I've been looking at them too.




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Ken one of my neighbors has a simular setup with a room over the garage. It was always colder no matter what he did. But once he heated his garage that room became a few degrees warmer than the other rooms. The garage is cooling that room down right now.


By the way what heater are you getting? I've been looking at them too.
Me being a contractor....T's right. The garage is keeping that room colder. The blower with help with the air flow, but it will still be colder because nothing is heating the floor from below.

My dad's house has the master bedroom above the garage. The room was always colder(he liked it that way) then the rest of the house even though the garage was insulated. We just recently put a heat run to the garage off the furnace(no need for a secondary heat source...furnace is 3' away) and it keeps the garage a constant 50F, which in turn, helps the bedroom out. My mom's also likes that her car is always warm before she goes to work(leather seats).........your wife should like it as well Ken.
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Me being a contractor....T's right. The garage is keeping that room colder. The blower with help with the air flow, but it will still be colder because nothing is heating the floor from below.

My dad's house has the master bedroom above the garage. The room was always colder(he liked it that way) then the rest of the house even though the garage was insulated. We just recently put a heat run to the garage off the furnace(no need for a secondary heat source...furnace is 3' away) and it keeps the garage a constant 50F, which in turn, helps the bedroom out. My mom's also likes that her car is always warm before she goes to work(leather seats).........your wife should like it as well Ken.
Well my problem is reversed. In the summer, the upstairs is easily 6-7 degrees hotter than the downstairs. Will an attic fan help this? how about an all house fan? which is better?

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Well my problem is reversed. In the summer, the upstairs is easily 6-7 degrees hotter than the downstairs. Will an attic fan help this? how about an all house fan? which is better?
All house fans are awsome. You don't see them much anymore. An attic fan will help but it may be a lot better if you adjust your duct valves summer/winter.

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All house fans are awsome. You don't see them much anymore. An attic fan will help but it may be a lot better if you adjust your duct valves summer/winter.
I did. It didnt help much.

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I did. It didnt help much.
Do you have ceiling fans???

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I have to shut the vents in my bedroom because of my waterbed. It heats the room quite a bit it seems. Ken, if this is a guest room why waste the heat. Leave it cooler and if you have guests give them an extra blanket or a space heater. When you eventually heat your garage it should solve the problem. I don't know much about those inline fans but it seems like it would be hard to get to a second floor duct.

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Yes I do, but that is why it is only 6-7 degrees hotter than 10 degrees hotter.

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thanks guy for all the info, well, for right now i think the inline blower will 1 not cost much extra at all other then its cost to run and few cents in electricity, other then that YES KIM me and my wife have had sex almost in every room and just about all the closets


Tony, I am thinking an industrial electric blower heater might be the best bet?
Gas will already be high in the winter why not go electric to off balance it?

That's what I am thinking or screw it all and go gas?

i dunno, but i think the blower is my 1st choice right now, since i would need to insulate the sides of the garage before i would do a heater in there, (it will be less affective)



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I have to shut the vents in my bedroom because of my waterbed. It heats the room quite a bit it seems. Ken, if this is a guest room why waste the heat. Leave it cooler and if you have guests give them an extra blanket or a space heater. When you eventually heat your garage it should solve the problem. I don't know much about those inline fans but it seems like it would be hard to get to a second floor duct.
This is what I thought of after awhile. 4-5 degrees isn't too bad. How often is the room used? It's just wasted heat if the room is rarely used. I close off the vent in my 'spare' bedroom since it's never used for anything other than my weight lifting.

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Ken is the ceiling of your garage insulated? I see your walls are not. that would be a huge help and simple to do.

Whole house fans are by far better then attic fans for the summer........ ya gotta have a window open for them to work right though.

Also....... leave your doors open in all the rooms upstairs so the air can move around.

Id buy a space heater for the few times ya might actually use that room until ya get the garage insulated. It will make a big difference in that room.

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no the sides arnt insulated, but everything else is and dry walled, ill do that 1st



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[B]Ken is the ceiling of your garage insulated? I see your walls are not.


Usually any wall that is adjacent to your house will be insulated but outside garage walls won't be. I insulated the outer walls and drywalled them and it made a big difference. Now I justleave all my beer set on the workbench all winter and it never freezes.

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Well If you have a metal garage door is insulate that sucker! I did my Dad's garage door with styrofoam(sp?) squares. My Dad's master bedroom is right above the garage and after I did it his room is always warm. I personaly would try to stay away from heating your garage just because of the problems it can cause with rusting on your cars and shit like that. Just my .02 hope I could help ya .

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I hear ya on that, but the benefits far outweight the negatives. Keeping your car clean is going to be the biggest help no matter what. That stuff has to melt sometime and once the salt is mixed with water the damage is done whether your garage is heated or not.

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modern cars are pretty good wiht rust protection these days. L:iek Crazy said keeping it clean is all you have to do. I had a 12 year old Toyota that made it through 12 MI winters and have very little rust.

The reduction in engine wear from cold starts though, will definitely help the car.
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In-line blowers only increase air flow to the room...not temp. If your only getting a dribble of air out of that room registers than it may be OK for you, but if you have descent flow, that it'll do know good. another problem to check to see (if you can) see how many branches come off the duct that feeds that room. no more than 4 should come offa main feeder line. How's the insulation above the room? try adding a few more inches of blown in.

The issue you have sounds like basiclly your getting bombarded on 4 sides of the room by outside cold air 9bottom, top and 2? outside walls.

is the garage ceiling well insulated?

I have an inline booster from Home Depot.....and it sux!!!! It is LOUD. and makes ZERO differance in the room that I am trying to add heat to. I have a seperate thermostate on it and it runs for 5-10 minutes after the furnace goes out an you can hear the thing run from every room in the house. I would suggest to wire it directly into the blower for the furnace, that way it goes on and off at the exact time the furnace does.

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That room only has 1 vent, and the air is very subtle in its out flow, you can feel it but barley.

As far as the room it is insulated everywhere.
The garage under it, the ceiling is insulated and the wall that's in front as you pull in towards the house is, as well as dry walled.

What isn't is, the sides that face outside the house, the wall of the garage doors.
And the garage door is just the metal kind, not insulated.


sounds like i should insulate all this before doing anything to make it better anyway, before stepping to a fan or what ever

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Hey Ken i am jumping in late on this thread. I do highrise HVAC for a living and thought i would give you my .02 worth. i havent read the other threads so sorry if i duplicate advice. 1. Check air flow (not temp) at the rooms register. if weak /consider a low duct fan (booster). Check the sona.(the decibal vol.) How loud it is. 2. insure your garage cieling is insulated. If you have exterior walls in that room they are insulated im sure. if your rooms cieling is the attic be sure to heavy R-factor the insulation above that room. ( when you have snow on your roof make sure you go outside and look for where the snow is melted and that will tell you where you need insulation.) 3. Take a candle and test the edges of the window inside and then remove outlet and switch plates to test for draft as well. This may sound crazy but check the floor where the carpet meets the wall to see if air is coming in. Sometimes a hole in the garage cieling will create a vacuum in the garage if the air can penetrate upstairs. there are a few other items but im not going to write a book.

Usually those few things i mentioned are the culprits. One last thing if you have furniture covering vents you should by a thin plastic extender to give air free distribution. As an extreme last resort (cheap) you can buy a make up heater that goes on the vent and you plug it in and gives off more heat. just like a heater.

Hope this helps ya.

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