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What I wanna know is...

When are folks gonna realize that the street is not the place to "push the limits" of your bike? Wiping out cuz you're riding like an asshat isn't cool... it's stupid and annoying. Since when did road rash become a "badge of honor"?

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THANK YOU!!!!!!!

I have ben saying that for years. no one friggin listens. somwhere along the lines group rides got perverted into competions. it shouldnt matter your experience level on a ride becasue there shouldnt be anything going on that is above a basic level.

If people wanna go out and tear it up on thier own time great, but dont do it in a ride and dont lead a ride in that manner, thats not what they are for.




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When are folks gonna realize that the street is not the place to "push the limits" of your bike? Wiping out cuz you're riding like an asshat isn't cool... it's stupid and annoying. Since when did road rash become a "badge of honor"?

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its a maturation process that takes time, hopefully time doesnt run out on some people before it happens.

I could put together a list of people........ Im sure you can to.

Its a shame that sooooooo many people have given up on group riding..it really really is

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You guys are right. With a group this size anything more than a liesurely ride in the country should be done in private between themselves. There is no sense organizing a group ride to rail through the corners. You may think you know people but the first step is to get over yourself cause you don't!!!!! Your just asking for people to come out and crash. This shouldn't be a "look at me I'm fast and I'm the leader thing" It should be "I know the way to a cool place, let's go there and grab some dinner". After that if you want to rail through some corners with a couple of friends that's fine. But with 20 people in a group how do you know your not going to get someone in over their head? Or maybe, people don't care because they aren't responsible for the actions of others. But if they do care, things will change.

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When are folks gonna realize that the street is not the place to "push the limits" of your bike? Wiping out cuz you're riding like an asshat isn't cool... it's stupid and annoying. Since when did road rash become a "badge of honor"?
QOTW.......excellent.

I've never understood how some people can't figure out that there usually isn't a second chance in a street crash. They're flirting with death or dismemberment and seemingly have no awareness of the repercussions.

It just baffles me............
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When are folks gonna realize that the street is not the place to "push the limits" of your bike? Wiping out cuz you're riding like an asshat isn't cool... it's stupid and annoying. Since when did road rash become a "badge of honor"?

+1 Kim. Last year I went on TONS of group rides. I was all over the place riding with lots of people. This year I've really gotten away from group rides. I've been on a few, and even organized my first breakfast run. It just isn't what it used to be. I find myself preferring to ride alone, or with a select number of people I've riden with and know. I have a lot more fun and I feel much safer.

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i agree, but i want to point out something and ill use myself.


i too was and still am somewhat of a squid.
i use to rail, drag a knee, speed 3xtimes what ever posted speed limit, split lanes, think i could push a car around like i was driving a semi truck. i use to just about anything you could think of.


but guess what, ive changed alot, i guess you can call it experanced.

maybe what some others including myself are trying to do is help others NOW at this moment to realize what we are saying and hope you will stop.


i still find myself wondering those close calls, how the hell i didnt die or get creamed when i ran wide and missed a head on by 1 foot!


well god is keeping me around for something...so all i can try to do is pass on what i know from experance so hopfully i can save a life, and maybe help others pass on some experance to save lifes but most of all make some think for themselfs and not follow others doing the fucked up shit just so they can be considered cool.


lets wake up folks and enjoy our bikes and enjoy the road.

save the wacky shit for the track.

hell i am even giving you free track days to get off the streets and to go to the right place to go faster and drag that knee to FEELLLLL that rush.

on the public roads...i just love to cruise and take in the sights, and my friends.



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Question. How does a group ride affect someone crashing? I agree that some may feel the need to keep up, some get 'hyped' up and go faster than what they can handle, but that's the riders fault, not the group they decide to ride with. So, with that said, instead of asking the board this question, maybe you should PM the riders that have crashed and ask THEM WHY they push it? Also, as you guys said this year there has been a lot of accidents, but what you need to understand is that it's going to happen, it just so happens that it has increased this year. Why? Beats me. And the only way to prevent this from happening is to have a banner stating, "don't join the site unless you track only or don't ride over your head," but you all know that's damn near impossible. Once again, you can't stop thinks from happening, you can TRY to prevent it but not everyone is going to listen.

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ever looked into our nesba forum?


ive only given away a couple of thousand dollars in free ones this year, let alone last year.



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ive only given away a couple of thousand dollars in free ones this year, let alone last year.
Well if my bike happens to sell this week on Ebay and Sticky Nick's bike is still around perhaps I will take you up on that next year.
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Question. How does a group ride affect someone crashing? I agree that some may feel the need to keep up, some get 'hyped' up and go faster than what they can handle, but that's the riders fault, not the group they decide to ride with. So, with that said, instead of asking the board this question, maybe you should PM the riders that have crashed and ask THEM WHY they push it?
Because some of us actually give a SH!T ABOUT what happens to the people who come out for our rides

That said, we feel we would like to do everything possible from scrapin' brains off the road

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I do not push my limits, or my bikes limits on the road, but I may very well be pushing the roads limits at times.
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Wow!! There's perfect people on this board that never make mistakes. VERY impressive!!! The simple ass answer to some accidents is that someone just made a mistake. No other explaination except that. You can care all you want and you can try to avoid it as best you can with invite only rides and gear is mandatory but the reality is people make mistakes. Its a part of life and we have deal with it every day.
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Because some of us actually give a SH!T ABOUT what happens to the people who come out for our rides

That said, we feel we would like to do everything possible from scrapin' brains off the road
wow... pretty ballsy to insinuate that endless does not give a SH!T...
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Wow!! There's perfect people on this board that never make mistakes. VERY impressive!!!
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Wow!! There's perfect people on this board that never make mistakes. VERY impressive!!! The simple ass answer to some accidents is that someone just made a mistake. No other explaination except that. You can care all you want and you can try to avoid it as best you can with invite only rides and gear is mandatory but the reality is people make mistakes. Its a part of life and we have deal with it every day.

that is very true "not the smart ass part though"

and its those times when accidents do happen when someone did there best to reframe themselfs and do the right thing and then sometimes not being to experanced or an accident simply happened, everyone can sit back and truly said that was an accident.

i dont think none of us are refering to those times...its the times when i/we/us/them are fucking off and shit happens.



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Wow!! There's perfect people on this board that never make mistakes. VERY impressive!!! The simple ass answer to some accidents is that someone just made a mistake. No other explaination except that. You can care all you want and you can try to avoid it as best you can with invite only rides and gear is mandatory but the reality is people make mistakes. Its a part of life and we have deal with it every day.
I think we all understand that people make mistakes. Accidents will happen (which is why they're called "accidents")

I think the underlying point here is that a LOT of the accidents this season could have been avoided with some smarter riding. Period. From what I can tell, a number of new-er riders wound up over their heads on a group ride and wound up on the ground.

That kind of thing hasn't happened all that much in the last few years. I think some of the veteran members are realizing that trend, and trying to figure out what we can do to stop reading about the weekends' crashes - and go back to reading about the weekends' rides.


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wow... pretty ballsy to insinuate that endless does not give a SH!T...

If you guys are willing to right off a couple of wrecks a year as "rider's fault" because they need to ride their own ride fine!!!!!.....but when your talkin 2,3,4 wrecks everytime you go out???? I don't want to hear it. At that point I'm willing to say if you don't feel the need to do something simply by giving into ego and changing your behavior slightly for the good of others, you don't give a Sh!t

And Chigirl were not talking about being perfect, were talking about minimizing damage. For God's sake it's not one wreck...it's dozens!!!! Doesn't something have to be done?

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Because some of us actually give a SH!T ABOUT what happens to the people who come out for our rides

That said, we feel we would like to do everything possible from scrapin' brains off the road
Sorry dude, i went to the hospital, wasted half of m day to go back to hicktown to pick up his bike, yet i still don't give a shit. That's awesome. Was i supposed to massage his balls too to show how much i care?? This is similar to the helmet issues going on on this board, some wear em some don't, some wanna rail through the turns some know when not to, it's THEIR choice. So, i go back to my question, why not send ALL the people that went down this year a PM and ask THEM WHY they felt the need to be Rossi during a group ride? Then post up their reply, i would really love to see what their response is... Now someone pass me the popcorn.

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Sorry dude, i went to the hospital, wasted half of m day to go back to hicktown to pick up his bike, yet i still don't give a shit. That's awesome. Was i supposed to massage his balls too to show how much i care?? This is similar to the helmet issues going on on this board, some wear em some don't, some wanna rail through the turns some know when not to, it's THEIR choice. So, i go back to my question, why not send ALL the people that went down this year a PM and ask THEM WHY they felt the need to be Rossi during a group ride? Then post up their reply, i would really love to see what their response is... Now someone pass me the popcorn.
woopdty...your willing to go to the hospital. I wasn't there and don't know what went on, but ask yourselve if you took responsibility, slowed down the pace and helped out in the first place, maybe you wouldn't have "wasted", (as you so elegantly put it) half your day at a hospital. If more of us agree to take that attitude as appose to the "oh well...he/she made a mistake" attitude, there might be less than 2 accidents per ride.

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When are folks gonna realize that the street is not the place to "push the limits" of your bike? Wiping out cuz you're riding like an asshat isn't cool... it's stupid and annoying. Since when did road rash become a "badge of honor"?
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woopdty...your willing to go to the hospital. I wasn't there and don't know what went on, but ask yourselve if you took responsibility, slowed down the pace and helped out in the first place, maybe you wouldn't have "wasted", (as you so elegantly put it) half your day at a hospital. If more of us agree to take that attitude as appose to the "oh well...he/she made a mistake" attitude, there might be less than 2 accidents per ride.

So quick to judge How do you know what the pace was?
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If you guys are willing to right off a couple of wrecks a year as "rider's fault" because they need to ride their own ride fine!!!!!.....but when your talkin 2,3,4 wrecks everytime you go out???? I don't want to hear it. At that point I'm willing to say if you don't feel the need to do something simply by giving into ego and changing your behavior slightly for the good of others, you don't give a Sh!t
stating the obvious here, but you were not there. you have no idea how endless or mig were riding muchless if they were riding over their heads.

do you seriously think we just dropped a handkerchief and screamed out "YEEEE-HAWW!"?

which 2,3,4 wrecks per ride are you talking about?
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....................... it shouldnt matter your experience level on a ride becasue there shouldnt be anything going on that is above a basic level.
Unless you put yourself in the "fast" group.

It all boils down to "dont ride over your head" on any ride whether your by yourself or in a group...........

Accidents happen, but if you as the crasher can look back and say I shoulda been going slower......you answered your own question.

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stating the obvious here, but you were not there. you have no idea how endless or mig were riding muchless if they were riding over their heads.

do you seriously think we just dropped a handkerchief and screamed out "YEEEE-HAWW!"?

which 2,3,4 wrecks per ride are you talking about?

Well then....where the HELL does your logic come from????? When people are dropping like flies everytime you guys go on a group ride there is something wrong!!!!!!! It doesn't take anyone "quick to judge" to see that.

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