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post #1 of 44 (permalink) Old 09-26-2005, 10:38 AM Thread Starter
 
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Continued crackdown on loud bikes

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I thought I read that in Illinois exhaust modifications were only illegal if the sole purpose of the mod was to make the bike louder. I don't recall anything about moding to increase performance being illegal. Are these 'noise polution' tickets legit or can riders fight these citations?
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as I understand it, unless an exhaust system is DOT approved then it's illegal.

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Anything over stock deciel level is illegal. its alwasy been that way. thats why so many used to pull the labels off thier vance and hines etc so the cops could not tell what kind of system it was. Once you change out your pipes, if they are louder than stock, you are accepting the risk of getting a ticket.




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Thought this might be of interest to everyone

http://www.natarus.com/email/08-10-05.html

I thought I read that in Illinois exhaust modifications were only illegal if the sole purpose of the mod was to make the bike louder. I don't recall anything about moding to increase performance being illegal. Are these 'noise polution' tickets legit or can riders fight these citations?
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Saying anything to that guy is a can of worms. he is a grade A whack job. besides he is only enforcing laws that are already on the books. if we want ot change that we need to go and loby Springfield. Join Abate they will do it for you.




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Anyone here live in the downtown area?

"Motorcycle owners have a right to enjoy the city’s streets, but they should not be allowed to disturb the peace and quiet of their neighbors."

I can't sleep some nights because assholes drive by my place reving their motors for no fucking reason. I'm not saying I'm against loud exhaust, all my bikes have them, but some people ruin it for the rest of us. Don't blame the police, blame the idiots that cause the complaints.

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I think they changed the word recently. It used to be illegal to modify to make it louder. Didnt say anything about modifying for performance or outright replacing the exhaust. Now it just says that it cant be louder than the stock system. (I wonder how many midas systems fail that law?)
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Anyone here live in the downtown area?

"Motorcycle owners have a right to enjoy the city’s streets, but they should not be allowed to disturb the peace and quiet of their neighbors."

I can't sleep some nights because assholes drive by my place reving their motors for no fucking reason. I'm not saying I'm against loud exhaust, all my bikes have them, but some people ruin it for the rest of us. Don't blame the police, blame the idiots that cause the complaints.
I remember while working at CC that a detective came in. Several of us got into a convo with him regarding aftermarket pipe. I told him howl I called the non-emergency number to ask about any new laws or whatever and the operator told me that it's not illegal to have aftermarket pipes. I explained to him if it's about noise you'll put Harley people out of business. He said that they can get us on emissions. If it's aftermarket it's not set up to be on that bike(?) So it's not just noise. Some bikers have gotten tickets downtown while putting gas in their bike and it's not even on! I don't know howl true this is but he was a detective and that's what he told us.
I do agree that nobody likes noise all the time. And a lot of people forget that downtown is an actual community where people live. That sound travels up the side of those buildings as if you're on the 2nd floor and the window is open.
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I'd love see to one of Chicago's finest, you know the one with louder than sh*t Harley, get caught while the 'tool' is on his ride alongs.

Not likely to happen as those guys save the noise pollution for the burbs.
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I just checked the Illinois Secretary of State's website and according to the Illinois Motorcycle Operator Manual's list of required motorcycle equipment:

Muffler — A muffler that is in
constant operation and properly
maintained to prevent any
excessive or unusual noise is
required. Modification of an
exhaust system for the purpose of
increasing the noise level is
prohibited by law.

It seems to me this leaves quite a bit of room for interpretation. Does anyone know what constitutes 'excessive or unusual' noise?
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It seems to me this leaves quite a bit of room for interpretation. Does anyone know what constitutes 'excessive or unusual' noise?
The law is uninterpretable so the popo can issue tickets on a whim. The bottom line is that most Harley's are louder than sportbikes, they just use the law to single us out cause they're upset that so many sportbike riders elude the police and get away. For those of us that abide by the law its just something we have to live with thanks to the irresponsible riders that give us a bad image.

If those guys cruising the city at night would shift outta first gear, we wouldnt hear about this nonsense.

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Here is a can of worms. What is so wrong with what this guy is saying?

Why should I have to hear my neighbor's Harley fire up at 8am when I went to bed at 4am. I love a nice deep sounding exhaust as much as everyone but some people take it too far. I would like to see ALL bikes prosecuted the same for sound violations, not just sportbikes but cruisers including Harleys.

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Anyone here live in the downtown area?

"Motorcycle owners have a right to enjoy the city’s streets, but they should not be allowed to disturb the peace and quiet of their neighbors."

I can't sleep some nights because assholes drive by my place reving their motors for no fucking reason. I'm not saying I'm against loud exhaust, all my bikes have them, but some people ruin it for the rest of us. Don't blame the police, blame the idiots that cause the complaints.
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I live right by the Ohio St. feeder ramp and some nights I think it'd be quieter on the front straight at Road America... I don't have any problem with them ticketing. 95% of the people riding around with aftermarket pipes (on ANY bike) are just squids and posers anyway.

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I'm curious about those of us that bought bikes from a dealer, haven't modified the exhaust... but the muffler on it isn't stock. If I get a ticket, can I send the bike back to the dealer for selling me a vehicle that violated state law?
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ABATE has been confronting this one for about 6 months now. Basically, Natarus is spouting his noise policies again, and I guess his constiuents support him. ABATE was actually trying to work with Natarus in getting the word out to all motorcyclists to keep the sound down in residential areas. Apparently, that hasn't been good enough for him.

My advice to anyone who gets a ticket is to FIGHT IT! If they write you up for loud pipes or a noise violation, they don't have a leg to stand on. If the cops are actually carrying decibel meters, they would have to know how to operate it, what the law actually states for decibel readings including what dB at what distance at what speed, and proof of calibration. Basically, a documentation nightmare. All burden of proof on the officer. What they can get you on is aftermarket equipment.

I unfortunately don't remember the particulars of how exactly they're prosecuting, but this was brought up at the Chicago ABATE's meeting last week and they went into the details of how the city is enforcing it.

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In 1972, Congress passed the federal Noise Control Act, which required the Environmental Protection Agency to set noise standards for a number of products. It took several years, but the EPA eventually wrote rules affecting all new motorcycles sold in the U.S. beginning in 1983.

Those regulations, which still stand today, required that all streetbikes be limited to 83 decibels at that time, with a stricter, 80-decibel limit imposed beginning in 1986 (see “What Is a Decibel,” right).

That sounds like a clear-cut regulation, but there are serious complications resulting from the way motorcycles are tested for compliance with that standard.

The EPA specifies a “ride-by” test, in which a bike is ridden—with the throttle wide open and the bike accelerating—past a sound meter located 50 feet away. The regulation specifies exactly how the test must be conducted, right down to the dimensions of the test facility.

Motorcycle manufacturers must certify that their bikes meet the federal standard before they can be sold in the U.S. And if you look at a bike with a stock exhaust system, you’ll find that certification stamped right on the muffler.

But let’s say your stock muffler wears out, or it’s damaged in a crash, or you just want to replace it. What are your options?

Under the federal law, probably none. You can buy the exact same part that originally came on the bike or nothing.

That’s because the federal law requires motorcycle exhaust systems to be certified for every year and every model of bike the muffler is designed to fit. So if an exhaust-system company wants to sell a muffler for, say, sportbikes, it has to rent an EPA-certified test facility, hire a certified technician, then show up with one of every year and every model bike the muffler is designed for so it can run tests on dozens of machines over several days. For a company trying to eke out a profit from a small niche in the motorcycle industry, that’s an enormous expense.

As a result, almost none of the aftermarket pipes and mufflers sold in the U.S.—including some sold by motorcycle manufacturers themselves—meet EPA requirements. And regardless of whether they’re straight pipes or quiet replacements, they’re all technically illegal.

The problem is more complicated from a law-enforcement perspective. Theoretically, a police officer could enforce the federal regulation by looking for the certification stamp on the muffler. But let’s say an owner drills holes in the internal baffles or, over time, the baffles fail, resulting in more noise.

Either way, the stamped certification only means that this muffler originally complied with federal standards. To find out if it still complies, the city would have to impound the bike and run it through a full EPA test, something that is, for all practical purposes, impossible. Meanwhile, a rider on a bike with a fully functioning aftermarket muffler that does meet the EPA sound standard is technically in violation of federal law for not having a muffler with a certification stamp.
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I can't sleep some nights because assholes drive by my place reving their motors for no fucking reason. I'm not saying I'm against loud exhaust, all my bikes have them, but some people ruin it for the rest of us. Don't blame the police, blame the idiots that cause the complaints.
+100

There's a huge difference between having an aftermarket pipe and riding responsibly, and having a pipe and feeling the need to rev the crap out of it at every block.

loud pipes save lives... maybe.... but unnecessary revving DEFINITELY pisses people off.. even other motorcyclists.
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I live right by the Ohio St. feeder ramp and some nights I think it'd be quieter on the front straight at Road America... I don't have any problem with them ticketing. 95% of the people riding around with aftermarket pipes (on ANY bike) are just squids and posers anyway.

I won't loose sleep over their right to look/sound cool.
Yeah but that Ohio Exit Ramp off 94 West is sooooooooo nice and smooth and then it just opens up

Not to mention if you are on 94 E and exit to Ohio - GOD I love that little right and then AWSOME left hander then back to a little right - If traffic is not an issue - That is one of my favs

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Yeah but that Ohio Exit Ramp off 94 West is sooooooooo nice and smooth and then it just opens up

Not to mention if you are on 94 E and exit to Ohio - GOD I love that little right and then AWSOME left hander then back to a little right - If traffic is not an issue - That is one of my favs
I didn't say I don't understand WHY everyone feels the need to go apeshit there, I'm just saying that I understand WHY people complain about it!

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It's a helluva lot quieter when I blow through there with my stocker pipe than it is when Mr. "Check out my sweet D&D" comes pinging through there in first gear....

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I didn't say I don't understand WHY everyone feels the need to go apeshit there, I'm just saying that I understand WHY people complain about it!

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It's a helluva lot quieter when I blow through there with my stocker pipe than it is when Mr. "Check out my sweet D&D" comes pinging through there in first gear....
I live on Clark tween Elm and Maple so every nice night, every CEO Hardley Guy likes to ride thru the Viagra Triangle and they always loop back through, down Clark street - Not to mention being close to LaSalle where every squid from the burbs thinks it is a dragstrip, so I can relate.

And btw, it's a Yosh, not a D&D

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Originally Posted by Bug

And btw, it's a Yosh, not a D&D



Oh don't worry, I live in that glass house too. My old SV with the full Yosh would set off car alarms all the way down the street. My roommates used to know I was coming home when they'd see a row of flashing lights in the distance slowly getting closer to the house!

Only more recently have I become aquainted with the other side of the fence. I'm a bit more sympathetic these days I guess.

<---- Patrick

Property of Evil Monkey Racing

Just because I don't care doesn't mean I don't understand.


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