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FYI: Highway tolls

I know tolls are a pain for us as cyclists and some of us have gotten lazy at times. This was in the Southtown today so beware if you are one that blows the tolls.


Toll cheats put on notice

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Friday, November 15, 2002




By Guy Tridgell

The bell is about to ring on another round in the fight to force habitual toll cheats to make good on their debts.

Before the end of the year, the state Toll Highway Authority will send a new batch of collection letters to drivers who have blown five or more tolls.

The efforts stem from a three-year, $38 million contract with Transcore, a Lisle firm that has worked with the tollway on electronic collection matters.

The contract calls for reviewing transaction logs and surveillance footage from toll plazas to spot offenders. The tollway used to hire its own staff for the chore, but decided to bring in outside help because too many violators were slipping through the cracks.

The move is another example of the penny pinching going on at the tollway these days, when anything that nets a few more cents is getting a look.

Toll scofflaws account for at least $7 million lost each year, roughly 2 percent of annual toll revenue.

The money adds up quickly. Blown tolls bring a $20 fine; if ignored, the fine jumps to $70.

Tollway officials expect to get $16 million in lost tolls and fines through the Transcore deal.

If the letter recipients do not respond, they could have their license or vehicle registration yanked.

I-PASS customers who unknowingly pass through plazas after their accounts have run dry will not be treated as harshly.

Tollway spokeswoman Joelle McGinnis said those folks will get a reminder in the mail to replenish their accounts.

"We will treat our I-PASS customers differently," McGinnis said.

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Does anyone here find it ironic that the state is spending $38 million to recover $16 million????



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Does anyone here find it ironic that the state is spending $38 million to recover $16 million????



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I think that the thought behind it is that they will save far more over the years if they let people know they are serious now.

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Does anyone here find it ironic that the state is spending $38 million to recover $16 million????
Well, we can HOPE that refers to $16 Million net!

Also note that they expect this return on only a $7 million per year initial loss from the tolls.

Care to bet whether they are going to try to budget this as a source of revenue?

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Well, we can HOPE that refers to $16 Million net!

Also note that they expect this return on only a $7 million per year initial loss from the tolls.

Care to bet whether they are going to try to budget this as a source of revenue?
sooooo synical...yet sooo right.

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The toll way authority needs the money to build another what 25 million dollar office complex with $2,500 chairs!
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The toll way authority needs the money to build another what 25 million dollar office complex with $2,500 chairs!
Don't forget the state is running a $2 BILLION deficit right now! I'm thinking traffic enforcement could get MUCH worse!

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Don't forget the state is running a $2 BILLION deficit right now! I'm thinking traffic enforcement could get MUCH worse!

Not to mention the Democrats have control and will never cease to make our lives miserable to cover the deficit instead of getting creative and making it easier on the taxpayers.


Ooops!!!!!!!!!!! did I say that outloud

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Not to mention the Democrats have control
Yep, just in time to get the blame for the deficit created by the Republican administration or for the tax increases to pay for it.

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Yep, just in time to get the blame for the deficit created by the Republican administration or for the tax increases to pay for it.
So it seems the shoe is on the other foot for once huh.

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So it seems the shoe is on the other foot for once huh.
For once??? I guess you haven't been paying attention for the last 40 years.

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For once??? I guess you haven't been paying attention for the last 40 years.
LOL We'll I'm only 27 so I haven't paid attention for 40 for sure. LOL

I was referring to the Clinton Bush transition. and what was this thread about again

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...and what was this thread about again
What's all this I hear about trolls? I mean who want's to talk about hairy old trolls anyway. I mean they are nasty creatures that jump out and scare you and...

No, that tolls, not trolls.

Oh....

Never mind.

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What's all this I hear about trolls? I mean who want's to talk about hairy old trolls anyway. I mean they are nasty creatures that jump out and scare you and...

No, that tolls, not trolls.

Oh....

Never mind.

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Hey....I received a letter just last week from that Lisle based company. They were asking me for $2.50. They said they were auditing I-Pass accounts and found that my transponder did not register for the about 5 tolls. The itemized the locations, times, toll amount...everything.

They said this is normally a $20-50 fine attached to this, but that I would not be charged this time.

I haven't paid it yet, not sure if I will....I'm still wondering what the hell they expect me to do when the transponder they leased to me doesn't register. Am I supposed to slam on the breaks at 50 mph and throw it into reverse? I understand them billing me for the missed toll, but fine me? How can they justify that?
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Hey....I received a letter just last week from that Lisle based company. They were asking me for $2.50. They said they were auditing I-Pass accounts and found that my transponder did not register for the about 5 tolls. The itemized the locations, times, toll amount...everything.

They said this is normally a $20-50 fine attached to this, but that I would not be charged this time.

I haven't paid it yet, not sure if I will....I'm still wondering what the hell they expect me to do when the transponder they leased to me doesn't register. Am I supposed to slam on the breaks at 50 mph and throw it into reverse? I understand them billing me for the missed toll, but fine me? How can they justify that?
LOL now that's a scam.

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I'm going to send them a check for $2.49 and see what they do...
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I'm going to send them a check for $2.49 and see what they do...

LOL . I got $10 that says they waste a 37 cents for a stamp to send you a notice to pay a penny.

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The $38 million was a 3 year contract. SO they hope to recover about 3.3 million per year from cheaters.

I've run 3 or 4 on my bike but I'm wiliing ot bet that I was going too fast or my plate is too small for the camera's to catch.

I've also used the I-Pass with a trailer a couple times, but I don't think they will nail me for that.


I said it before, but the toll rates piss me off. Wiht simple 1980's technology, you could measure either a vehicles weight or the wheelbase with simple sensors and charage a vehicle a different rate depending on the weigth. Anthing that weighs under 1000 lbs or has a wheelbase under 80" should be free. Anything over 4000lbs or 150" should be charged a premium.
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We can thank 23 years of Republican state administration for our lovely toll system.

...and why do we have a gas tax?
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Cherry....you and your scale system are killing me.

Just because you bought a little girly car

I already explained to you how the largwe vehicles pay more than their share in fuel taxes which pay for the roads.

Also, with your theory....
would you also agree that skinnier/lighter people should be charged less for concerts, movies, ballgames because the wear and tear on seats, bathrooms, floors, etc is less. You could also say that they have smaller ears, eyes, and possibly brains so they cannot take in or consume as much entertainment.
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Cherry....you and your scale system are killing me.

Just because you bought a little girly car

I already explained to you how the largwe vehicles pay more than their share in fuel taxes which pay for the roads.

You just proved my point. That is exactly why larger vehicles should pay more for the tollways... they are not paid for by tax money and therefore should have a similar weighted system. Fuel tax pays for non-toll IDOT roads... not tollways.

IMO we shuld dump the tolls and increase the taxes. The tollways are simply a welfare system and a waste of brakes, fuel, and time to stop and pay tolls.

According to those numbers posted it costs $800 million ot operate the toll system. I'm willing to bet that only half of that money actually is applied towards road imporvements. The rest is needed to collect the money and manage the beauracracy. I'd rather pay another $10/year in taxes than stop and pay a fucking toll.
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I already explained to you how the largwe vehicles pay more than their share in fuel taxes which pay for the roads.
DO the math. You 5000lb car gets 16mpg. My 2500lb car gets 32mpg... sounds pretty fair to me. A 8000lb excursion gets 10 mpg. Still about right on.

Only the hybrids get a break... but their cars cost more to begin with.

Just becasue my car is quicker, faster, and can provide 80% of the utility as yours for half the price (mine stops and turn too)... doesn't mean you have to be jealous. Imagine how many track days you could do if you spent $15k less on you car.

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Back when they built the tollway wasn't it supposed to become a FREEWAY after the tolls had payed off the construction loans?????

Kinda reminds you about how the state lottery profits were gonna be used to improve the public schools



Glad I don't have to drive the tollways on my way to work!!!
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I've also used the I-Pass with a trailer a couple times, but I don't think they will nail me for that.

Have often wondered about this myself. So, one day on my way through the toll plaza on I-88 in DeKalb where there is no I-Pass lane I stopped and offered the extra change to the toll booth attendant for the trailer and she informed me that any vehicle used for private use that has an I-Pass does not have to pay extra for hauling a trailer. She said it's one of the incentives to get more people to get I-Pass devices. I even checked the rules and regs. that came with the device and darned if she wasn't right.
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Chiming in with my 2 dollars.

I never blow toll's EXCEPT maybe 1-2 times this whole year, I didn't have change on the bike, and it was automatics.
So if they bill me they bill me.


But all and all FUCK TOLL BOTHS!!!!!!! that shit shouldn't even still be up.
But everyone knows it.


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DON'T USE THE TOLL WAYS!

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i don't give a crap what anyone think.
my Mercedes cost to much? my cadilac is to big?
my vette is to long?
i don't give a fuck what anyone thinks, if you can afford it without a problem, YOU DESERVE to live your life in accordance with your financial life stlye. if you choose to do so.


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Back when they built the tollway wasn't it supposed to become a FREEWAY after the tolls had payed off the construction loans?????

Kinda reminds you about how the state lottery profits were gonna be used to improve the public schools
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