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Unreal, so does anyone think Sportriders arent profiled?

here is a video of a day at deals gap and police sting against what seems like against only sport riders. Warning this is a 200 meg file, so 56K beware. http://www.artsmartdigital.com/~darr...20Evidence.wmv

I only watched 10 minutes of it, and the most infuriating thing so far was at about the 8:00 minute mark. A red R1 and Green ZX-9 go thru and dont do anything illegal, but still get arrested. All the sportriders were issued Drag racing tickets. Here is a link to the website with some more info www.killboy.com

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BTW, notice how when cars or crusiers cross the yellow line, nothing is really said???

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I'm watching it and they havn't called out any cars. 15 of them crossed the line. and no cruisers.

That is so wrong

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Sorry to say this, but we've been dealing with this for years. Big reason downtown sucks sooooooo bad. We got targets on our backs.

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Sorry to say this, but we've been dealing with this for years. Big reason downtown sucks sooooooo bad. We got targets on our backs.
Yes we do, but whats the difference between racial profiling and profiling sportbike riders???

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Yes we do, but whats the difference between racial profiling and profiling sportbike riders???
That's easy....they can get away with it.


Don't worry so much bro. Just have fun with that R1 and if something like that happens deal with it. I know it wouldn't slow me down any. If you want to be proactive join a group that lobbies for biker rights.

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That's easy....they can get away with it.


Don't worry so much bro. Just have fun with that R1 and if something like that happens deal with it. I know it wouldn't slow me down any. If you want to be proactive join a group that lobbies for biker rights.
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too funny. I watched a lot of it because I was down there at that time.

geez, what a bunch of poor riders down a great road

good thing they didn't do this a few days earlier when there were about 30 of us tire-to-tire going through there

hey. sure enough. there's a shot of LBK and me heading home to chicago after a good week of riding around 12:15ish


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i didnt watch the movie clip (<~~dial up)
but i can imagine.

what else is new, fight it in court!
if they dont have video in a lrage take down, they cant prove shit!
only 1 guy really will take the fall.


and of course deals gap, what do you exspect?
they even have haul assing railing tours now down there,
thats why i said, if i go i go alone.
dont need 15 other guys taking the heat for me or me for them.
screw that



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Ken: Basically, they singled out every sportbike rider for crossing the double yellow, but if cars or cruisers crossed the double yellow, they didnt do shit. Get this, the funny part is they gave all of them drag racing tickets. WTF is that???

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I was kinda thinking the same thing. The poilce's own video can be used against them to demonstrate they were profiling.

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At about 11min on the tape a cruiser spends the ENTIRE curve over the dbl yellow and they don't say a word. What a joke that we spend this kind of money to have a couple of @$%@^%* sit in the woods with a camera.

I'm sure we all know that these "officers" also think/know that cruisers bring more money to the local economy and if they get a reputation for cracking down on those riders it would cost local sales tax revenues.

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Well, I'm not surprised. Remember we ride sport bikes, we are evil!! Remember the the article Ms. Hanley wrote on June 5, 2002, in the Los Angeles Times? Unfortunately the police and public read too. So, now we are marked, as a menace to society, and the police will deal with us to calm the public fears. Hence, I stay to the backroads, Barrington Hills has some most excellent twisties, on the toll roads, I keep pace with traffic flow and try not to make any "traffic violations." Personal, I think that the Secretary of State should require anyone driving a large SUV, especially in the northern burbs, get a CDL.


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Well, I'm not surprised. Remember we ride sport bikes, we are evil!! Remember the the article Ms. Hanley wrote on June 5, 2002, in the Los Angeles Times?
That's right folks, it's Ms. Hanley's fault! It doesn't have anything at all to do with the behavior of the sportbike crowd!

Seriously guys, with everything there are limits. In our case there are limits to what the police and the public are going to tolerate and we ALL know riders who are way over the top while in and around the public view, including those who regularly elude the police.

Don't get me wrong, I think the police are cracking down. I know the local police here have been forced to issue noise tickets to some Harley riders when it's obvious they'd rather not. Why? Because the more mature (older) of us will not stand by and tolerate being targeted and will complain to the watch officer or city council.

In the case of the Gap, it doesn't surprise me at all. With an increase in the number of people that they have to scrape up off the roads and the increasing popularity of that area, what choice do they have really? People come there specifically for a purpose contrary to their jobs and the increasing accident rate only serves to prove it.

I remember times when you had to be calling attention to yourself to get a traffic ticket on a motorcycle. Most police somewhat looked the other way. But now there's an increasing number of people calling attention to themselves and all other riders. The end result is the police don't cut as much slack.

Let's at least admit while we're complaining that we (collectively) are a part of the problem.

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Let's at least admit while we're complaining that we (collectively) are a part of the problem.

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Or me, if I try to keep up!

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yeah more like keep up to find a chance to kick in the turbo to blow me away



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yeah more like keep up to find a chance to kick in the turbo to blow me away
Are you profiling me? That's why I didn't want that big Turbo printed on the side.

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That's right folks, it's Ms. Hanley's fault! It doesn't have anything at all to do with the behavior of the sportbike crowd!

Seriously guys, with everything there are limits. In our case there are limits to what the police and the public are going to tolerate and we ALL know riders who are way over the top while in and around the public view, including those who regularly elude the police.

Don't get me wrong, I think the police are cracking down. I know the local police here have been forced to issue noise tickets to some Harley riders when it's obvious they'd rather not. Why? Because the more mature (older) of us will not stand by and tolerate being targeted and will complain to the watch officer or city council.

In the case of the Gap, it doesn't surprise me at all. With an increase in the number of people that they have to scrape up off the roads and the increasing popularity of that area, what choice do they have really? People come there specifically for a purpose contrary to their jobs and the increasing accident rate only serves to prove it.

I remember times when you had to be calling attention to yourself to get a traffic ticket on a motorcycle. Most police somewhat looked the other way. But now there's an increasing number of people calling attention to themselves and all other riders. The end result is the police don't cut as much slack.

Let's at least admit while we're complaining that we (collectively) are a part of the problem.
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That's right folks, it's Ms. Hanley's fault! It doesn't have anything at all to do with the behavior of the sportbike crowd!

Seriously guys, with everything there are limits. In our case there are limits to what the police and the public are going to tolerate and we ALL know riders who are way over the top while in and around the public view, including those who regularly elude the police.

Don't get me wrong, I think the police are cracking down. I know the local police here have been forced to issue noise tickets to some Harley riders when it's obvious they'd rather not. Why? Because the more mature (older) of us will not stand by and tolerate being targeted and will complain to the watch officer or city council.

In the case of the Gap, it doesn't surprise me at all. With an increase in the number of people that they have to scrape up off the roads and the increasing popularity of that area, what choice do they have really? People come there specifically for a purpose contrary to their jobs and the increasing accident rate only serves to prove it.

I remember times when you had to be calling attention to yourself to get a traffic ticket on a motorcycle. Most police somewhat looked the other way. But now there's an increasing number of people calling attention to themselves and all other riders. The end result is the police don't cut as much slack.

Let's at least admit while we're complaining that we (collectively) are a part of the problem.
The point of the post is that the cops were not applying the law evenly to all motorists breaking the same laws as SOME of the riders. I can't speak for others, but if I get a ticket on my bike, I probably deserved it and would suspect that many from that tape feel the same way. But it's not the letter or the spirit of the law if some other person got away with doing the same thing and the only reason I got a ticket is because I'm on a bike.

Moreover, the really bad behavior that draws the ire of the public isn't the type of behavior I have seen from riders in this group. Yet we draw the attention of that same group simply by looking like them.

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The thing that I got out of the video is: Some of the riders were really doing stupid stuff, so the cops were throwing every sportbike rider in the same basket. The ones passing two cars in the double yellow need to get nabbed, but they would also make note of a rider that seemingly wasn't doing anything wrong. There were several vans and SUVs that spent the entire curve across the line, but they got nothing. What I found funny was they stopped a couple Neons for being loud. The cops did seem pretty knowledgeable though. One knew a Buell by the way it sounded.
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