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Metra train vs 15 cars in Elmwood Park....

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Damn. Amazing no one was killed in this. One reason I dont stop on tracks at lights.
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I lived one block from there for three years. It always amazed me that this hadn't happened before. Grand is almost parrallel to the tracks so the crossing is very long and there's a light right east of the crossing.

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It is a tricky crossing especially on a bike. You almost have to sverve to cross it in order not to slide the rails. I have a feeling it was the trains fault since soo many cars were involved. I hope no one got hurt too bad
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It is a tricky crossing especially on a bike. You almost have to sverve to cross it in order not to slide the rails. I have a feeling it was the trains fault since soo many cars were involved. I hope no one got hurt too bad
Yeah, I remember what they said in the Motorcycle Riders Course about crossing the tracks at a 90 degree angle......and then seeing if I could do that at this crossing (I'd end up on the other side of teh street if I tried that).

Anyway, I live about a half mile from there myself and apparently what happened (from what I was reading in the Tribune this morning) is that there was a red light at 76th Ave. (just east of the crossing), and people decided to chance crossing the tracks. When the gates went down, they were stuck on the tracks, with no escape route. Because the tracks bend in order to cross Grand, the train didn't have much warning that there were cars on the track (I'm talking about needing at least a half mile to a mile). And apparently the cars that were stuck on the track and hit by the train then were thrown into cars that were clear of the track.

Of course, the fact that this happened right in front of the Elmwood Park fire station cut down on the response time to save lives.

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One reason I dont stop on tracks at lights.
+1 thousand

I loved how Jay Levine questioned one of the witnesses.
There was no warning signal by the tracks that the light is red? (a few times)
Like there should be for stupid people.

There are signs DO NOT STOP ON THE TRACKS! by crossings.
You should know never to stop on the tracks when there a traffic jam in front of you.

I was driving North on Harlem to get to 290 the day before the accident.
By those tracks people thought nothing of stopping on the tracks.
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I have a feeling it was the trains fault since soo many cars were involved.
just a bunch of people with the "ME FIRST" attidute and they all got stuck on the tracks when the gates went down. I live in Wood Dale were its very similaur and it happens all the time, they put cameras in because so many people sit on the tracks...

i have ZERO symapthy for anyone who gets hit by a train, you can see/hear/feel it coming and the damn thing doesn't swerve out and hit you

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just a bunch of people with the "ME FIRST" attidute and they all got stuck on the tracks when the gates went down. I live in Wood Dale were its very similaur and it happens all the time, they put cameras in because so many people sit on the tracks...

+1. That's probably what happened. If these people were paying closer attention this could have been avoided. Don't stop on train tracks. Pretty simple to remember, isnt' it?

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I have a feeling it was the trains fault since soo many cars were involved.
Train's fault? Please explain.

My theory when I first saw this on the news was a few cars disregarded the signs at that crossing that informed people to not stop on the tracks. Well, seeing as how people were more then likely in a hurry due to the "Wednesday Getaway", they didnt pay attention to the ign and got stuck on the tracks. The gates go down and they are trapped. I have no sympathy for these morons who blatantly disregarded the warning signs.

I'm sure you probably think it's the train's fault when some douche bag decides to play chicken with a train and gets hit as well.

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I have a question for all those blaming the drivers for the accident. Have you even been on that crossing? I would normally agree with you and say you have to be a moron to stop on the tracks, but there is a long way from where the crossing gate is and where the tracks are. From my own experience I can understand how it will look like traffic is moving fine and then all of a sudden stop because of the light on the other side. Like I said before I'm supprised this hasn't happened in the past. Hopefully they'll do something about it now.

I would also think with a crossing so jacked up that the trains would know to go slow through there. All the metras i remember wouldn't be going full speed through there.

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The traffic light should be tied with the railroad signal to insure that cars can clear the tracks.

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As far as I know in most cases it is.

Maybe this is not the case, but 99% of the time it is not a trains fault. I am always in shock when they manage to get money from train company because some schmuck walked around the gate, or crawl under the fence. They say fence should have been fixed. Well, someone should have fixed your parents for producing sucha dump shit that sees a hole and decides that it is big enough to stick your head in

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I feel badly that people got hurt, but common sense would dictate that stopping on railroad tracks is not a smart idea - regardless of whether or not there are signs, signals, etc.

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The traffic light should be tied with the railroad signal to insure that cars can clear the tracks.
It wouldn't help if there was a traffic jam. Cars shouldn't have stopped on the tracks.
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I have a question for all those blaming the drivers for the accident. Have you even been on that crossing? I would normally agree with you and say you have to be a moron to stop on the tracks, but there is a long way from where the crossing gate is and where the tracks are. From my own experience I can understand how it will look like traffic is moving fine and then all of a sudden stop because of the light on the other side. Like I said before I'm supprised this hasn't happened in the past. Hopefully they'll do something about it now.

I would also think with a crossing so jacked up that the trains would know to go slow through there. All the metras i remember wouldn't be going full speed through there.

I've never been through that intersection, but I know enough to make sure there's enough space for me to cross before going over a set of tracks. Nothing like 100 tons of steel ramming through your car to get your attention.
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The traffic light should be tied with the railroad signal to insure that cars can clear the tracks.
They said the light was not timed to the railroad signal. Hard to blame anyone but the city for this one. If you ask me, it wasn't the drivers, it wasn't the train. It was poor infrastructure/city planning.

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Lights or not, one should never ever stop on the tracks, especially during rush hour traffic. If I lived closer, I would take a marker, some carboard and post, DO NOT STOP ON TRACKS YOU FUCKING MORON!

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With 26 accidents and 10 injuries including a train hitting a school bus at the same crossing, the city and metra should have interconencted the traffic light.

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Let's take a different spin on it. You are a fool and decided to park your fat ass SUV on the tracks. I am sure you can hear the train coming. Now, if you were less of the fool you would have not stopped bumber to bumber and now be able to swerve around another fool that is parked on front of you and get clear the tracks.

But then again. In order for this to happen this full needs to elarn the rules of the road and remember to keep the distance.

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A bunch of Monday morning quarterbacks.

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I've been in traffic where if I stayed a car length behind the car in front of me I would have stopped on a set of train tracks. Instead I made sure the car in front of me moved forward enough so when I crossed the tracks I would be fully across and no part of my SUV still near the tracks.

Not Monday morning quarterbacks stuff, just common sense. Those people were just in too much of a hurry and let their judgement lapse. Thankfully no one got hurt.

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I think it has been said many times before that people should start taking responsibility for their actions and start using the gray stuff that is in their heads. And once in a while play what if game. every action has a reaction.

All said and done. I am surely glad that no one got really hurt. And just hope they will learn their lesson now.

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just a bunch of people with the "ME FIRST" attidute and they all got stuck on the tracks when the gates went down. I live in Wood Dale were its very similaur and it happens all the time, they put cameras in because so many people sit on the tracks...

i have ZERO symapthy for anyone who gets hit by a train, you can see/hear/feel it coming and the damn thing doesn't swerve out and hit you

"Don't stand on the tracks when the train is coming thru"
man, I hate to admit it, but I agree with what Mopar said!
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just a bunch of people with the "ME FIRST" attidute and they all got stuck on the tracks when the gates went down. I live in Wood Dale were its very similaur and it happens all the time, they put cameras in because so many people sit on the tracks...

i have ZERO symapthy for anyone who gets hit by a train, you can see/hear/feel it coming and the damn thing doesn't swerve out and hit you

"Don't stand on the tracks when the train is coming thru"
I have seen a lady panic and trying to back up from the middle of the tracks. The gate went down right on top of her car. She should have just kept on going. Some people do everything else but driving an concentrating on whats going on around them
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Bullet Train

There are thousands of miles of railroads throughout this country. Last year when this happened (or maybe year before that) the railroad company got a lot of heat. Basically they said they can't put a gate and/or lights at every intersection. There are some that go through places where they can't even wire it up. So knowing this they invested a large amount in educating people to let them know what to do and what not to do.

I don't blame the RR companies. I think even when applying for a license there is something in the book that talks about railroad crossings.
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Some witnesses said that the gates never went down but this was analyzed and they did go down. It is too early to really determine anything yet. They will be doing a lot of testing this weekend, And nobody died. Everyone will recover
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I just found a great read on this crash. Base on what I read some of those people entered on the tracks fully aware that they are going to be stuck on them. FOOLS.

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This is a very wide crossing. I hope something will be done to make it more fool proof
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