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On theheels of that other thread, this is somehting I have been kicking aorund int he bakc of my head. what exactly is involved in becoming a pilot and learning how to fly? Is it super expensive, how long does it take, what do I have to learn etc?




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I looked into this a few years back...I recall a few thousand dollars just to get the first class license. The instrument rating class is very rigorous. Ryan (Slickrock) failed his flight exam miserably and he's a pretty bright guy.
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US average to get the first rating is 60 hours of flight time. Figure $4500-6000 depending on your competency for a Private Pilot's certificate.

FAA requirement is only 40 hours of flight time, so if you can hack it, that is much cheaper.

Testing - Written, Oral, and Practical
Written - Study the book, get some tapes, do a weekend warrior school and you got it done.
Oral - 1-2 hours of verbal questions form the examiner, typically focused on the areas that you may not have done well on in your written exam.
Practical - Fly the required flight maneuvers with a FAA examiner. Typically 1-3 hours of flight time depending upon the examiner.

Hope that helps. I'd recommend the King Videos if you decide to take this on and doing a weekend warrior training (2 days training - test on Monday)

As far as John's comment regarding Instrument (IFR) rating, that takes 125 hours minimum. Commercial is 250 hours, ATP is 1500 hours. As far as people passing, I did my Private (VFR license) in 3 weeks, took the tests at 40.1 hours (the minimum) and aced it. I took the IFR training in 9 days, took the test at 125.1 hours, aced it. I took Mult-Engine IFR for two days and tested, and aced it. Since then I have flown thousands of safe hours. It requires a combination of prioritizaton, book learning and practical learning. As far as I know, it is the greatest learning experience one can be exposed to.

If anyone fails miserably in an exam, he wasn't prepared properly and had a poor instructor. The instructor has to "sign off" that you are ready for an exam and they shouldn't do that unless you are ready to pass it easily.

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I'm a CFII-SMEL Airplane. For you landlubbers that means Certified Flight Instructor and Instrument Instructor for both single and multi-engined airplanes / land only (no seaplanes or helicopters). I'm also tailwheel and acro qualified. I've been flying for 32 years.

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The question is, are you Pterodactyle certified?

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So what your saying is Chuck, for a case a beer and a pizza you can get me certified? Isnt that what everyone on this site offers for help?




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So what your saying is Chuck, for a case a beer and a pizza you can get me certified? Isnt that what everyone on this site offers for help?
That's a good one!!!




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Oh man, that's great. Yeah, I think I did get checked out in one of those come to think of it. I sure hope those belong to your kid.

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not that one, I do have some handmedowns from him. I have to wait for him to be done with the vidgames so I can play And they are not toys, the are Action Figures!

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not that one, I do have some handmedowns from him. I have to wait for him to be done with the vidgames so I can play And they are not toys, the are Action Figures!
Let's see, how can I put this gently...........................geek!!

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Hey Tony....I want to get certified too, there is a very strong possibility that Diane will be inheriting a plane from her Dad, a 1946 Aerocoupe (?? I should pay attention, I know it has no pedals and it susposedly easy to fly, has canvas stretched over metal frame for wings) If we get this thing, I want to be able to fly it too. Diane already has her license (since 16) so I should get mine too.

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Hey Tony....I want to get certified too, there is a very strong possibility that Diane will be inheriting a plane from her Dad, a 1946 Aerocoupe (?? I should pay attention, I know it has no pedals and it susposedly easy to fly, has canvas stretched over metal frame for wings) If we get this thing, I want to be able to fly it too. Diane already has her license (since 16) so I should get mine too.
pffft...errcoupe I got the M20j and a future KR2 and a CFI at my disposal. I think it's time to take advantage of it
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Like Wink said

Microsoft Flight Simulator, although a PC game, is a very good tool for learning the basic controls and procedures. The game has the option for you to go through training to get your different pilot's licenses. You even have to do a "check ride" with an examiner.

This in no way replaces actual flight instruction, or certifies you to fly a real plane, but you will be amazed at how much more familiar the controls looks once you do start taking flight lessons.

You can also use MS Flight Simulator to practice cross-country trips that you are going to fly during your training BEFORE you actually fly them. You can even see a lot of the landmarks that you would in the real world.

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The amazing thing is how accurate and realistic the FlightSims are. The only real difference is that you don't "feel" the plane. They are used heavily for training (a little more complex version), and help tremendously in learning how to read the instruments for IFR training. Suffice it to say, that some simulators are harder to fly than the actual plane. Anyhow, it is a great way to familiarize yourself with an airport and its surroundings, to get familiar with the frequencies and approaches. However, you won't be flying approaches for a Private Pilot's license (VFR).

Anyhow, sounds like there is interest ready to line up at SloRoll's door for some lessons. Now let's see how many people actually move forward with the training.

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This is something that is definitly in my future, but right now my money is spread amongst too many different hobbies. This is more for future reference for me. I still dont own a boat I am going to pick up a flight sim though and practice for a few until I get there.




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Tony...when I retire from trackdays, planes will be next in line. We can do it together if you want to wait a few years.
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a plane description that includes- 1946 & Stretched Canvas & Rick as the pilot..Ill just wave as you over. I dont own enough life insurance no offense Rick..Really

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Hey Tony....I want to get certified too, there is a very strong possibility that Diane will be inheriting a plane from her Dad, a 1946 Aerocoupe (?? I should pay attention, I know it has no pedals and it susposedly easy to fly, has canvas stretched over metal frame for wings) If we get this thing, I want to be able to fly it too. Diane already has her license (since 16) so I should get mine too.
I've flown Ercoupes. I've even helped rebuild one. They are a very fun aiplane to fly. The "no rudder pedal" thing is no biggie. The rudders are actually bungied to the control wheel so that when it moves they do also. The down side is that it won't perform a slip so crosswind landings are a bit of a challenge at times.

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This is something that is definitly in my future, but right now my money is spread amongst too many different hobbies. This is more for future reference for me. I still dont own a boat I am going to pick up a flight sim though and practice for a few until I get there.

One thing you may want to consider is doing a "Discovery Flight" with your local Flight Training Facility. This is sponsored by Cessna, and I think it costs around $50. You get an overview of the plane and the controls, do a supervised pre-flight inspection, and then you get to fly the airplane as the PIC (Pilot In Command - Left seat) while the Instructor acts as the Co-Pilot. You will perform both the take-off (optional) and the landing (mandatory). Don't worry though, the instructor will always have full control of the aircraft and won't let you do anything that might kill you both.

You even get to log this as flight time in your pilot's log when you start your training. This was my first 0.7 hours of daytime PIC time. It's an experience you'll never forget.

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I've been knocking around the idea of getting my pilot's license. I think it'll be my project after I get back from Alaska next spring. My dad still has his instructor's license and he's said he'd teach me. He just needs to get current, which he's planning on doing next spring.

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One thing you may want to consider is doing a "Discovery Flight" with your local Flight Training Facility. This is sponsored by Cessna, and I think it costs around $50. You get an overview of the plane and the controls, do a supervised pre-flight inspection, and then you get to fly the airplane as the PIC (Pilot In Command - Left seat) while the Instructor acts as the Co-Pilot. You will perform both the take-off (optional) and the landing (mandatory). Don't worry though, the instructor will always have full control of the aircraft and won't let you do anything that might kill you both.

You even get to log this as flight time in your pilot's log when you start your training. This was my first 0.7 hours of daytime PIC time. It's an experience you'll never forget.
That actually sounds pretty cool.




Oh and Kruz I might take you up on that in a few years. I have too many hobbies right now, but flyuing is in the future. Hell I can pay for my training just in delivery fees for smuggling buffalo wings from canada for Rick.




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Looks like we have enough people wanting to learn to start a CLSB flight club.

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How about if I throw a get together at my hanger in Kankakee and anyone interested can come out and check out the plane and talk flying.

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