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I've been fight an on going problem with my car rims. The tire shop tells me they have corrosion that keeps buiding up in the bead area. This causes the tire to loose pressure. This happens sometimes gradually, but also seems to happen very quickly.

The car is a '98 Dodge Avenger ES. It has the original rims.

My questions are:

Can anything other than buffing and adding sealent when re-installing the tire be done? Is there some kind magical coating that could be put on the interior of the rim?

Also I asked the tire shop (Discount) to give me a price on replacing all 4 with new rims. Has anyone had any experience with Konig rims?

The price of the Konig rims was pretty reasonable, but what kind of quality am I getting.

I plan on keeping the car for another 5 yrs, or so, as long as it stays mechanically reliable. I don't consider this a mechanical problem.

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OK This thread needs some resonses. Maybe if I attach a pic, I'll get some info!!

The Konig rim is similar to what you see between her legs. No look lower.
Hint: the rims are on the car!!

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Ok that got my attention. good job


I used to work in the tire business. the shop is right, aluminum rims build up corrosion around the bead and cause leaks, U sed to grind them down smooth and add sealant and they usually heald. one problem I noticed was though sometimes with the low profile tires when the tech would remove the tire to do this the bead would rip (as bad as it sounds it happens all the time and is usually not an issue). Now sometimes this wasnt a problem the seal would still hold but if a chunk came out it would casue a leak. so befroe you go replacing the rims, next time they have the tire off inspect the bead of the tire and make surte there are no chunks missing.




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Ok 1st off Konig seems to be a great rim. Krystal just got an Eclipse with a set on there and they are nice.
2nd off the woman is HOT!!!
3rd off don't like the rims ya chosen


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If you happen to also need tires, they sell you rims and tires that arrive mounted and balanced.... bolt 'em up and go. They even send the lugs if you need them.

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Thanks guys.

So no magical muk for the existing rim.

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She just got the car maybe a month or so ago, but am sure they been on the car for atleast a yr or longer easily.


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If you happen to also need tires, they sell you rims and tires that arrive mounted and balanced.... bolt 'em up and go. They even send the lugs if you need them.

Great place to do business with.

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Discount tires does the same thing www.tires.com and I know they had FREE shipping last time I was looking maybe a few weeks ago.


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Discount has them in stock, and gave me a quote to swap out the rims and tires. New stems balanced and new lugs.

I needed to hear what people thought of Konig, and if there where any other options.

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Discount has them in stock, and gave me a quote to swap out the rims and tires. New stems balanced and new lugs.

I needed to hear what people thought of Konig, and if there where any other options.
Ok problem is if its rips in the bead of the tire you will have the same problem with the new rims if you mount the same tires on them. Like I said before I have sealed up many a rim in my time and if they are using the black sealant and its not holding something else is wrong. Unless the weels are just that destroyed with huge craters in the bead surface.

Konig has been around foreer, they are a very good wheel. But this is why people who have expensive custom wheels have a set of stockers for the winter. the salt builds up and cuases the corrosion in the bead area. I shake my head in wonder everytime I see someone driving in the winter wth custom wheels.




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The wheels aren't your problem. the corrosion can be easily removed, the bead area of the tire is damaged by the corrosion. Putting the old tires on new wheels will not solve your problem. I put new tires on heavily corroded wheels all the time (cleaned with a bristle disc) without sealer and have never had a bead leak. Sounds like an incompetent installer is trying to sell you a set of wheels.

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Wire wheel them to knock the corrosion down then silicone over the bead area before you set the bead. It's messy but it'll work.
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Those rimes are shit, same as the Mistubishi Eclipse. Two piece design with a soft aluminum lip. Theyu bend like cheese and corrode badly.

Just buy some aftermarkets; don't blow $$ on fixing them.

I have a set of 17" in that bolt pattern for sale if interested; cheap price too. Are practically brand new, only have a few miles on them. Had race tires from a single day at Gingerman.

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Those rimes are shit, same as the Mistubishi Eclipse. Two piece design with a soft aluminum lip. Theyu bend like cheese and corrode badly.

First off relax he didn't ask about mitsubishi and I don't think anyone else did

2nd off mr expert why are they shit if your the all knowing??? Please explain

I've known others to have Konig and if they are shit I guess they are around because people keep buying them because they like wasting money...yea that's it


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They are shit. Real heavy and soft...but around $200-300 a wheel, they're cheap, and that's why people buy them.
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Fill your tires with nitrogen. Doesn't shrink when it gets cold and doesn't expand when it gets hot. It's about 5 bucks a wheel. Non-flammable and typically won't leak because the molecules are bigger than oxygen so it stays pressurized even if you got a nail stuck in it you'll have a lot of tire to get the tire repaired.

Oh and Konig aren't that great of a wheel - because they've never been in any Need for Speed game.
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They are shit. Real heavy and soft...but around $200-300 a wheel, they're cheap, and that's why people buy them.
Most rims are heavy(unless ya pay mega $$$) and soft when they are made from Aluminum


Still a great rim for the money


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Fill your tires with nitrogen. Doesn't shrink when it gets cold and doesn't expand when it gets hot. It's about 5 bucks a wheel. Non-flammable and typically won't leak because the molecules are bigger than oxygen so it stays pressurized even if you got a nail stuck in it you'll have a lot of tire to get the tire repaired.

Oh and Konig aren't that great of a wheel - because they've never been in any Need for Speed game.
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Thanks guys.

They aren't trying to sell me rims. I asked for the quote, because I'm sick of being stranded ever time they flat quickly. This happens ever couple a months!

The tire appears to be ok on visual as I approach the car to leave work. Then about 4-5 blocks away, wump wump wump. The tire shop is about another 6 blocks away.

Maybe the tire is a little chewed up, or maybe they aren't using sealent when re-mounting, after wiring the rim. Do you need to ask for the sealent?

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Almost any shop should be able to do nitrogen if they do other repair work (especially AC). $5 per wheel? Damn, that's some serious markup.

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First off relax he didn't ask about mitsubishi and I don't think anyone else did

I've known others to have Konig and if they are shit I guess they are around because people keep buying them because they like wasting money...yea that's it


They are the same wheels. The 98 Avenger 17" wheels and the 98 Eclipse 17" wheels are the same, except for the look. Indentical 2-piece design and material.

Konig are on the cheaper end of aftermarket wheels. I personally wouldn't buy a set, you can get better quality for about the same price.

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Thanks guys.

They aren't trying to sell me rims. I asked for the quote, because I'm sick of being stranded ever time they flat quickly. This happens ever couple a months!

The tire appears to be ok on visual as I approach the car to leave work. Then about 4-5 blocks away, wump wump wump. The tire shop is about another 6 blocks away.

Maybe the tire is a little chewed up, or maybe they aren't using sealent when re-mounting, after wiring the rim. Do you need to ask for the sealent?
Sounds like its either chewed or they are not getting enough off. I used to use a wire brush, but if that still left the surface rough, i would get out the grinding wheel and give it a once over around the bead, that left a nice shiney smoothg surface, then throw a coat of sealant around it and mount the tire, I rarly had a come back.




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It's those wheels, they will not seal well after the corrosion gets to that aluminum lip. Trust me, I've seen plenty of these Mitsu desgined pieces of crap.

Tony's idea should work, but might be temporary. I'd really look at getting ride of those shitty wheels.

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Konig are on the cheaper end of aftermarket wheels. I personally wouldn't buy a set, you can get better quality for about the same price.
Could you give some examples?

Discount tire Konig set quoted at $614. Rims, Stems, re-mounted and balanced.

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