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Fine, fine, fine til your tollway takes your I-PASS away

By Joseph Ryan, Daily Herald Staff Writer
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Suburban Chicago, IL - Tollway officials are quietly attempting to add a laundry list of penalties for I-PASS users, including revoking transponders for traffic tickets and charging $25 for drivers whose accounts run dry or who forget the device. The proposals, of which even some tollway directors were unaware, are drawing criticism from a watchdog group, which called them "ridiculous," and a tollway reform leader, who says they "go too far."

Under the proposed rules:

• Get a traffic violation and you could lose your I-PASS
• Fail to properly use your I-PASS, and it may be cut off
• Let your I-PASS account go into debt and pay a $25 fine
• Forget your I-PASS and pay $25
• If you drop change near a toll basket, it belongs to the tollway, and you could face a $75 fine for picking it up.

The new penalties were found in a 46-page document of rule changes submitted to a lawmaker panel charged with overseeing state agency rules.

Tollway officials made no announcement of the proposed changes when they were voted on in October, stressing to reporters the document contained minor changes. One tollway director says she wasn't told about the changes when she voted for the document.

The rules won't take effect until the legislative panel gives a final OK at least three months from now, and the public can submit comments in writing until that point. Tollway users also can force the agency to open a public hearing.

The new penalties likely will catch the average tollway user off guard, says state Sen. Jeff Schoenberg, an Evanston Democrat who has spearheaded tollway reform proposals.

"This reaches too far," he said Wednesday. "These can inadvertently spin a web that will trap thousands of honest, law-abiding drivers in serious hidden ... charges."

Schoenberg also said the changes don't jibe with the extra power he sought to give the tollway when he pushed a measure approved this year that handed the agency authority to tow a toll cheat's car and suspend licenses.

Tollway officials insist commuters can trust them to use the new power only to go after the worst offenders.

For example, a provision that broadly allows the tollway to revoke or suspend an I-PASS account if the owner fails "to observe traffic rules or improperly mount(s) the I-PASS transponder," will not be fully used, said tollway spokeswoman Michelle Damico.

Traffic tickets could result in a revoked I-PASS "in extreme cases when I-PASS customers drive recklessly through I-PASS lanes or repeatedly violate speed limits in those lanes," she said in an e-mail response to a reporter's questions.

Damico did not return several calls seeking clarification and further comment Wednesday afternoon.

Damico also said revoking an I-PASS that is not properly mounted "would be the tollway's last resort for customers who ignore the many notices that we send them."

As for the $25 fee for I-PASS users who forget their transponder and go through an I-PASS lane, Damico said that would only be applied if it happens more than 15 times.

The tollway's rule change to stop commuters from picking up change they dropped is intended to increase safety, she said.

"We just don't want people getting out of their cars," Damico said.

Damico did not respond to questions about how the $25 for an empty I-PASS account rule would be implemented and why it is needed.

Currently, if an I-PASS account falls below $0, the tollway keeps track of the usage and pays off the debt when the account is replenished.

In general, Damico said the $25 administrative fees are needed for the tollway to recoup the cost from I-PASS transgressions that result in more work. The rule changes do not stipulate what the fee will be spent on.

But, Terry Pastika, executive director of the suburban Citizen Advocacy Center, a toll watchdog, said what the tollway says it will do and what it does can differ.

"There is nothing laid out in these rules," she said. "I'm appalled."

Betty-Ann Moore, the Liberty Township supervisor who was appointed to the tollway board earlier this year, said she was not informed of the rule changes when she voted on the document in October.

She declined to comment on the proposal's specifics, but said "perhaps some of these issues will be raised now."

Naperville Mayor George Pradel, a tollway board member, said he asked administrators questions about the changes individually and was satisfied there would be leeway so well-intentioned commuters would not be harmed.

"I'm taking them at their word," he said, adding he had confidence in the administration. And Pradle said the tollway maybe should have informed the public.

"We can learn," he said. "And maybe we can also revisit these items."

The public is allowed to submit comments in writing to the tollway regarding the proposed rule changes until Jan. 22. If at least 25 citizens, an organization of more than 100 people or a local government requests a public hearing, the tollway is legally bound to set one up.

After Jan. 22, the tollway can then go through a 45-day process with the panel of state lawmakers, which can vote to prevent the rule changes if they stray to far from state law. During that second process, the public also can submit written comments to the panel.

Fine: Toll officials say power will only be wielded against worst offenders


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so there you have it. if you're bored and have time on your hands. go bomb their mailbox with tons of comments about how insane some of those proposed fines are along with suggestions on how to get their shit running right

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If the Gov' is behind this then he is a damned idiot. The IPass should be used to improve traffic, not as a bargaining chip...

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they sent me some kind of notice saying that if my account was unable to refill there would be a 25 buck charge awhile ago when the cc on file expired

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I hate this whole deal.. what a bunch of weasels

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Yeah, this stinks. I think they're probably on target suggesting that the purpose is to get more revenue for the tollway. It's always easier to raise money through fines than by raising tolls, since fewer people will object.

The one about not picking up dropped change is bunkum, too. It's not a safety issue: most people are just going to reach down and pick up their coins from inside the car. It's not as if they're going to wander out into a lane of moving traffic.

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The one about not picking up dropped change is bunkum, too. It's not a safety issue: most people are just going to reach down and pick up their coins from inside the car. It's not as if they're going to wander out into a lane of moving traffic.
The key word there is "MOST". If they are thinking this up, odds are some dumbass stopped his car on 294, 200 feet from the toll plaza to pick up that last dime he had for the tollway.

Dropped change belongs to the tollway system my ass. That stuff just goes right into the 3rd shift's pockets.

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I'll never get an IPASS. EVER! It's the biggest scam ever. Just wait until you start getting speeding tickets.
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people that own I pass are 0wned now... cheap asses that dont want to pay double.
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I'll never get an IPASS. EVER! It's the biggest scam ever. Just wait until you start getting speeding tickets.
Better toss your cell phone out the window too, that could get you a speeding as well theoritically.

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Two words. GPS.


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I think that might be a little far fetched. Probably wouldn't happen for quite a while. How would the be able to pinpoint your location and how fast you are traveling. I know with nextels they can tell where you are within a 3 block radius.
One of the main reasons that they want everyone to get IPASS is because they can have less cops on the road and get more revenue. They track you by the amount of timespan between two toll booths. If you make it from one to the other in a faster time than average then you are obviously speeding. Can't wait to see people getting tickets left and right. Smart idea on Illinois part, but sucks for IPASS users.
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Every new cell phone has a GPS chip it. That's more accurate than any RF transponder driving under an tollbooth.

You also showed up on 7 closed-circuit television systems today as well, assuming you had an average, american day.

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Every new cell phone has a GPS chip it. That's more accurate than any RF transponder driving under an tollbooth.

You also showed up on 7 closed-circuit television systems today as well, assuming you had an average, american day.
Only place I went today was work. Oh yeah there's about 7 cameras there so you're right. lol

So EVERY Cell phone has a GPS in it? The people at 911 i hear only have luck finding people with NEXTELS. My cell phone is like a year and a half old so I should be good.
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My sprintpcs phone's gps is accurate to within 10 meters I believe. But it's also something you can turn off if you want.
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Here's the answer to the problem, Ernie.

http://mannsmotorsports.com/fastags/

Just got one. I'll let you know how it works once I get it installed.
I know of some riders that just wheelie through the ipass lanes...can't see the tags then can ya!!

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If the Gov' is behind this then he is a damned idiot. The IPass should be used to improve traffic, not as a bargaining chip...
Of course he's behind it....he a freaking Democrat! Anything to take our hard earned cash and make us all slaves to their policies This is only step one, next step is to start handing out speeding tickets, you'll be tried and convicted by that handy dandy I-pass

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I hate this whole deal.. what a bunch of weasels
They are freaking politicans.....don't be shocked

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Dont own I pass, dont own a cell phone, and my fiero doesn't have "On Star"

Id rather get a ticket by a cop picking me out randomly instead of a blajoivich looking for a pay raise. And even with that, im not speeding excessivly.


GPS tracking is too far fetched right now with speeding tickets. Terrorist activity, i can see.

I get to spend 40 cents more, but have the freedom to speed, not worry about charges, losing my I pass, illinois state making interest of my money, and being a yuppy because i prefer convienence.

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dont use the I pass. return the box and see if they will give you 10 bucks for it.
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What if the damn thing doesn't work?

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Once again. This will circumvent the problem (and some other issues, too...)

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Speaking of Ipass. did anmyone else notice the blast of K-band that is coming from the open road tolling area on 355 by boughton. its brand new and very consistant. I'm guessing they will be doing photo tickets there very soon. also on north bound they have ipass recievers, lights and cameras under the second bridge north of the toll booth, could be used for timing between two points. Life is going to get very miserable on the tollways.




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Speaking of Ipass. did anmyone else notice the blast of K-band that is coming from the open road tolling area on 355 by boughton. its brand new and very consistant. I'm guessing they will be doing photo tickets there very soon. also on north bound they have ipass recievers, lights and cameras under the second bridge north of the toll booth, could be used for timing between two points. Life is going to get very miserable on the tollways.
YEP! It lights up my detector like a Christmas tree. My detector churps for hunfreds and hundreds of yards. They most be shooting some strong stuff.

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