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More Digi camera / Printer ques..

OK heres the deal. I took a ton of pictures with my digital camera. Most were taken really large. Ive shrunk them down and when I print them or print preview them they look really blurry. They look OK on the screen but dont print the same.

What am I missing ? Is it not possible to print a clear digital picture ? Is this the drawback of digital vs. 35mm ?

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Not sure exactly, but if you shrink down the size, you dont want to shrink down the pixels. that will make for grainy. also, if you printing to a bubble jet, the special paper you get for pics helps. I know there are home printers out there that print great photo quality pics. Jim has one I think.

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What program are you using to print and resize the photos. It's possible to get incredible prints with digitals, I've done 30x40" posters with mine.
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Im using Adobe photoshop Elements.

Its a new HP 7750 inkjet photo printer.


Maybe the pixel thing is the issue
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When you shrink them you can often compress them more without losing too much quality (depending on the content) but if you reduce the pixel count you will get pixelated printing if you try to blow them up again.

I would recommend saving the full-size pictures somewhere (I use CD) before editing. That way you can always return to the original if you mess up.

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You must have something set funny in Photoshop.

I have an Epson Stylus 777 (2 years old!), and it prints EXCELLENT photos from my digital camera. Well, I thought they were excellent, until I saw how DanO's hp Photo printer prints... But I've printed 8x10s out on my printer, from a 2.0mp camera, and from more than literally 2 inches away, they look fabulous - like a regular photo print.

Try eliminating Photoshop first. Are you running WinXP? If so, try printing them straight from XP, rather than Photoshop. Just right-click the pic and select "Print." For just printing out pics, I've found that the built-in picture printer in XP works great.

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I have a canon S820 printer and use its software to print the pictures, does a fantastic job. I dont ever shrink the pictures my camera takes shots that will fill an 8x11 perfect.

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Interesting.. Ill try those tips. Thank you amigos
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When I resize the image in Photoshop in INCHES it resizes the pixels automatically. If I resize the pixels it resizes the inches automatically.

Can I resize one without the other adjusting ?

Im getting nervous ...my wife will have my berries in the bench vice if all 400 of our Disney pics are screwed up ! !
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Why are you trying to resize them?

Is it that you're trying to take a 2000x2000 pixel picture, and shrink it on the screen to a 4"x5" print? (or thereabouts?)

For example: my digital camera, on it's medium setting, creates .jpg's that are 1600x1200. Looking at it in Photoshop, I can change the sizes by pixels or inches (what I'm assuming you're trying to do.) In inches, this picture is 22.222x16.666.

DON'T resize the picture to be, say, 4x5, if that's the size of the printout you want. When you resize the picture in Photoshop (scale it down) it removes pixels and data in the picture, to squish it down. When you send it to the printer, you're sending that small, squished picture, with half of it's info missing. You don't want to restrict ANYTHING to your printer... you want to give it as much detail as you can. Your printer can print more tiny dots per inch than what you see on the screen. By resizing the picture, you're taking away some of those dots - that the printer would normally print.

To print out a digital pic, to say a 4x5... resize it in the PRINTER window. Leave the actual picture alone.

I have Photoshop 6.0 - so your pgm may be a little bit different. But here's how I do it:

File -> Print Options

This will get you a dialog box. (see below)



Notice the area called "Scale Print Size". This is how you change the size of the picture you want to print. You can also move the print up or down on the page with the "Position" area - so you can stick the paper back into the printer, and print a 2nd picture on the sheet (if you're trying to conserve expensive photo paper) by picking a new position (below the first picture, for example.)

Anyways - if you change the #'s in the "Scale Print Size" area, see how the print preview changes? This is where you want to change your output picture size.



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You should have the option to specify pixels/inch when you crop or resize.

I typically crop the picture to what I want and leave the original pixel size. I crop for various reasons. Sometimes I crop for content and live with the resulting aspect ratio an sometimes I crop for the aspect ratio of the media I'm about to print.

In any case, I always save the originals so if I screw up I can go back and start again.

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OK i have the clarity back to original. They look fabulous. Thanks fof your help guys.

One more question... Im printing borderless 4 x 6 pics. Its still leaving a 3/4" white border on the right side of the pic. Ive checked all of the settings and cant figure out how to get rid of it.

Any ideas ?
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In order to do borderless you have to crop the picture to the correct aspect ratio. Otherwise when it sizes the print the first picture border to reach the edge without losing any of the picture is what you end up with.

If you are printing 4X6, set the crop tool to 4X6 with the pixels/inch of your printer (or at least enough for good resolution). Then the crop tool will always crop in dimensions proportional to your print surface and when you select borderless it will expand proportionally and have no borders.

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Dave is right, and if that doesn't help it's normally a printer setting you're missing. When you see the Print Dialog go to printer settings. Make sure it says that you're printing to 4x6 borderless. There's normally either a paper setting or a custom setting the in the dialog box for your printer that tells it to print boderless--with no margins.
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I still cant figure it out. Its cutting off the right 1/2-3/4" on all pics.. It doesnt matter if I print out of Photoshop or directly from the cd by right clicking. I dont get it. Even if I tell it to print a borderless 4x6 photo.

Dave....how do I set the crop tool to borderless ? I dont see anywhere that I have the option of cropping.. or is it called something else in Photoshop ?
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No, the crop tool doesn't have anything to do with printing borderless. Did you find the borderless setting in the print settings dialog box for your printer? Make sure to look at your manual to see how to set things and to make sure your printer can in fact printer borderless.
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I did find the setting in print setup. It does print borderless. Its doing it on 3 sides now. I guess Ill have to break down and look at the manual. Thanks guys
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When you go into print settings, see if you can't turn print preview on. Then, when you print a dialog box will open showing you what is going to print. If the margins look OK on the preview, then maybe the paper is setup wrong, or something. Good luck, it took me a while to figure out the best settings too.
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There may be several places where you have to make sure the margins are set to 0.

Look carefully through your printer settings and make sure that all the margins are set to 0. On the Preview Printing dialog, click on Border and make sure that is blank or set to zero. Make sure Show Bounding Box is unchecked.

Also, if your printer driver has a print head alignment feature, make sure you have done that.

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Ok I figured it out.. this is somewhat embarrassing to admit to.

I have to use tabbed 4x6 paper in my printer because of where the print head and the rollers are. I assume there is such thing as tabbed 4x6 paper.

This whole time I thought it was a setting

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Well, here's a trick that might work. I have a paper cutter and I routinely get larger sheets and cut them to print smaller photos. For example. I'll get an 8x10, and get 2 5x7s out of it. If you cut an 8x10 in half you'll get 2 5x8s. If you feed the 5x8 in landscape, short edge first, you might have the extra length your printer needs. So you make the print then trim with the paper cutter and you'll have a borderless print.
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