new software idea. - Chicagoland Sportbikes
Chicagoland Sportbikes
 
Open Forum This forum is for all off-topic discussion.

 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
post #1 of 28 (permalink) Old 01-05-2006, 04:07 PM Thread Starter
Administrator
 
HDTony's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Plainfield IL
Posts: 45,956
Location: Plainfield IL
Sportbike: A couple of pasta rockets
Years Riding: Since 1989
How you found us: In the beginning there was CLSB and Tony saw that it was good.
           
Send a message via AIM to HDTony
new software idea.

Lets say i had an idea that could be a huuuuuuge money maker for a certain web company's website. but have no clue how the code would work for it. anyone have any idea how I would:

1. protect this idea
2. sell it to this type of company.




HDTony.... Damn glad to meet you!

Government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it.

- Ronald Reagan

AirTek Heating & Air inc.
HDTony is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #2 of 28 (permalink) Old 01-05-2006, 04:10 PM
King Nothing


 
Kegger's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Ur Moms House
Posts: 17,944
Location: Ur Moms House
Sportbike: I ride Ur Mom
Years Riding: As long as Ive known Ur Mom
How you found us: u found me
           
I think you need an idea or concept patent first. You will need a patent attorny todo a patent search to make sure someone doesnt already have it in the works...........as far as selling it to them.....???????????

"When in doubt, use full throttle. It may not improve your situation, but it will end the suspense."
Kegger is offline  
post #3 of 28 (permalink) Old 01-05-2006, 04:12 PM Thread Starter
Administrator
 
HDTony's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Plainfield IL
Posts: 45,956
Location: Plainfield IL
Sportbike: A couple of pasta rockets
Years Riding: Since 1989
How you found us: In the beginning there was CLSB and Tony saw that it was good.
           
Send a message via AIM to HDTony
Patents work for just ideas? I thought you had to have a blueprint or at least a prototype or something. Can I patent an idea that i dont knwo how to do?




HDTony.... Damn glad to meet you!

Government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it.

- Ronald Reagan

AirTek Heating & Air inc.
HDTony is offline  
post #4 of 28 (permalink) Old 01-05-2006, 04:14 PM
Registered User
 
RSV4win's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: NW
Posts: 1,724
Location: NW
Sportbike: 2002
Years Riding: 5
How you found us: sbn- ran into 20bikes riding
         
Just like the Blackberry stuff goiung on now.

You just need the idea. No ways or means of making it.
RSV4win is offline  
post #5 of 28 (permalink) Old 01-05-2006, 04:20 PM
SV650N
 
crashomon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Over by Toyota Park
Posts: 3,117
Location: Over by Toyota Park
Sportbike: 2005 SV650SN
Years Riding: Since 1980
How you found us: craigslist
           
+1 on idea only. You do NOT need a working mockup.

www.uspto.gov is the link, I believe

Good luck.
crashomon is offline  
post #6 of 28 (permalink) Old 01-05-2006, 04:20 PM Thread Starter
Administrator
 
HDTony's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Plainfield IL
Posts: 45,956
Location: Plainfield IL
Sportbike: A couple of pasta rockets
Years Riding: Since 1989
How you found us: In the beginning there was CLSB and Tony saw that it was good.
           
Send a message via AIM to HDTony
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jughead
Just like the Blackberry stuff goiung on now.

You just need the idea. No ways or means of making it.
That almost seems to easy.

I just found a patent attourney on google and sent him an email. we shall see what transpires.

Anyone know a good patent attourney that I can trust. I guess thats my biggest issue, i need someone I can trust.




HDTony.... Damn glad to meet you!

Government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it.

- Ronald Reagan

AirTek Heating & Air inc.
HDTony is offline  
post #7 of 28 (permalink) Old 01-05-2006, 04:23 PM
Grammaton Cleric
 
MrBusa's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: BER!-Wyn, IL
Posts: 1,842
Location: BER!-Wyn, IL
Sportbike: 2005 Suzuki Hayabusa LE
Years Riding: Since 07-01-2001
How you found us: Google, I believe
      
Send a message via AIM to MrBusa Send a message via Yahoo to MrBusa
Rich Dad Poor Dad author Robert Kiyoski preaches intellectual property protection religiously. One of his Rich Dad Advisors wrote a book on the subject...

https://secure.richdad.com/product.a...Books&keyword=

-- Matthew --

"I'm just a simple man trying to make his way in the Universe" - Jango Fett
MrBusa is offline  
post #8 of 28 (permalink) Old 01-05-2006, 04:27 PM Thread Starter
Administrator
 
HDTony's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Plainfield IL
Posts: 45,956
Location: Plainfield IL
Sportbike: A couple of pasta rockets
Years Riding: Since 1989
How you found us: In the beginning there was CLSB and Tony saw that it was good.
           
Send a message via AIM to HDTony
Quote:
Originally Posted by MrBusa
Rich Dad Poor Dad author Robert Kiyoski preaches intellectual property protection religiously. One of his Rich Dad Advisors wrote a book on the subject...

https://secure.richdad.com/product.a...Books&keyword=
I might just have to read that. that looks good.




HDTony.... Damn glad to meet you!

Government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it.

- Ronald Reagan

AirTek Heating & Air inc.
HDTony is offline  
post #9 of 28 (permalink) Old 01-05-2006, 04:37 PM
Tom
 
QuickStudy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Minooka
Posts: 642
Location: Minooka
Sportbike: 2001 R6
Years Riding: Since 2001
How you found us: old member of sbn
      
I helped our company patent a product a few years ago. Patent attorneys can be quite costly (I think ours was almost $300hr). It may be beneficial to pay for a few hours of consultation with a patent attorney and then turn to the www.uspto.gov website. Everything is there if you have the time to read and fill out the forms. Keep in mind this can be a lengthy process. It took us almost 3 years to receive our patent.

You may also want to have whomever you speak with about your idea sign a confidentially agreement.

Best of Luck!

Some general info:
http://www.parteq.queensu.ca/ip/ipprotec.html
QuickStudy is offline  
post #10 of 28 (permalink) Old 01-05-2006, 04:45 PM
Your friendly Crazy Canuk
 
RickC1957's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Barrington, Illinois
Posts: 12,731
Location: Barrington, Illinois
Sportbike: Ducati ST3 2005 Gloss Black, Monster 620, 2007 Sport Classic 1000
Years Riding: Crashing sucessfully since 1969
How you found us: Thru favorednation (ron)
           
Send a message via AIM to RickC1957 Send a message via Yahoo to RickC1957
Quote:
Originally Posted by HDTony
Lets say i had an idea that could be a huuuuuuge money maker for a certain web company's website. but have no clue how the code would work for it. anyone have any idea how I would:

1. protect this idea
2. sell it to this type of company.

Question #1....do you work for said company?

Sometimes goodbye is your second chance.
RickC1957 is offline  
post #11 of 28 (permalink) Old 01-05-2006, 04:55 PM
Bop your way home...
 
Dr. D's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: on the move in Texas
Posts: 5,622
Location: on the move in Texas
Sportbike: Hypermotard
Years Riding: since 99'
How you found us: Googled "bullshit artists"
           
Quote:
Originally Posted by RickC1957
Question #1....do you work for said company?
I know where you are going with this, if you work for the company any idea you come up with is already paid for through your salary.

-Alan-
Balancing the Paradox
of Art and Profit
Dr. D is offline  
post #12 of 28 (permalink) Old 01-05-2006, 04:59 PM
Grammaton Cleric
 
MrBusa's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: BER!-Wyn, IL
Posts: 1,842
Location: BER!-Wyn, IL
Sportbike: 2005 Suzuki Hayabusa LE
Years Riding: Since 07-01-2001
How you found us: Google, I believe
      
Send a message via AIM to MrBusa Send a message via Yahoo to MrBusa
Yeah, when I worked at AT&T Labs they owned the patent, not you. Even if you worked on your idea during non-work hours.

-- Matthew --

"I'm just a simple man trying to make his way in the Universe" - Jango Fett
MrBusa is offline  
post #13 of 28 (permalink) Old 01-05-2006, 05:12 PM
bwa
Boom
 
bwa's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Kalispell, MT
Posts: 13,320
Location: Kalispell, MT
Sportbike: None :(
Years Riding: not long enough
How you found us: Crazeinc
           
US patent is worthless, when it doesn't protect your idea overseas...
bwa is offline  
post #14 of 28 (permalink) Old 01-05-2006, 05:21 PM
To Punish and Enslave
 
Jimbo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: Rockridge
Posts: 3,952
Location: Rockridge
Sportbike: A 10 speed :(
Years Riding: 25
How you found us: I know the dude that runs the website
           
Send a message via AIM to Jimbo Send a message via Yahoo to Jimbo
Dude, you getting smart in your old age??

"Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy"- Benjamin Franklin

SUPPORT OUR TROOPS!!

Quote:
Originally Posted by Vcook View Post
hahahaha, nice try. Everyone knows men age like wine and women age like milk. It's a scientific fact!!
Jimbo is offline  
post #15 of 28 (permalink) Old 01-05-2006, 05:22 PM
To Punish and Enslave
 
Jimbo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: Rockridge
Posts: 3,952
Location: Rockridge
Sportbike: A 10 speed :(
Years Riding: 25
How you found us: I know the dude that runs the website
           
Send a message via AIM to Jimbo Send a message via Yahoo to Jimbo
Quote:
Originally Posted by MrBusa
Yeah, when I worked at AT&T Labs they owned the patent, not you. Even if you worked on your idea during non-work hours.

Comcast is like that too, but only if the idea you came up with is on company time. One guy got screwed, he came up with the "Tom Ped" and ne no longer works from Comcast (I think it was AT&T at this time)

"Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy"- Benjamin Franklin

SUPPORT OUR TROOPS!!

Quote:
Originally Posted by Vcook View Post
hahahaha, nice try. Everyone knows men age like wine and women age like milk. It's a scientific fact!!
Jimbo is offline  
post #16 of 28 (permalink) Old 01-05-2006, 05:32 PM
 
Join Date: May 2003
Posts: 334
    
Quote:
Originally Posted by MrBusa
Yeah, when I worked at AT&T Labs they owned the patent, not you. Even if you worked on your idea during non-work hours.
If it's in the same field, that's probably fightable by the company... If it's not, then they don't have a leg to stand on. Plus it has to be in your contract like that as well.
Kanati is offline  
post #17 of 28 (permalink) Old 01-05-2006, 05:42 PM
Hot-Wire Her With A Pin
 
Paladin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: County Hell
Posts: 8,791
Location: County Hell
Sportbike: Blue Mini Cooper
Years Riding: Done for now
How you found us: Bad weather bikers
           
Send a message via Yahoo to Paladin
So what is the idea?

Type small nobody will see it.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bug View Post
I will sock ya square in your snot locker if you EVER use the term "Bron Bron" in my presence - BAHLEEDAT
Paladin is offline  
post #18 of 28 (permalink) Old 01-05-2006, 05:49 PM Thread Starter
Administrator
 
HDTony's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Plainfield IL
Posts: 45,956
Location: Plainfield IL
Sportbike: A couple of pasta rockets
Years Riding: Since 1989
How you found us: In the beginning there was CLSB and Tony saw that it was good.
           
Send a message via AIM to HDTony
We do have a contract like that at work but this is unrelated to what my company does. so i should be good in that repsect. What about the patenet search, do i have to do that or just submit and see what happens? I'd rather not get into serious amounts of money that I dont have only to find out its taken.




HDTony.... Damn glad to meet you!

Government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it.

- Ronald Reagan

AirTek Heating & Air inc.
HDTony is offline  
post #19 of 28 (permalink) Old 01-05-2006, 06:13 PM
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Posts: 2,068
       
you can write the code. or atleast try to. And go to the copyright site and get a programmers copyright on the program.

Something i should have done when i coded google, but theres always next time.
oldschoolninja is offline  
post #20 of 28 (permalink) Old 01-05-2006, 06:14 PM Thread Starter
Administrator
 
HDTony's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Plainfield IL
Posts: 45,956
Location: Plainfield IL
Sportbike: A couple of pasta rockets
Years Riding: Since 1989
How you found us: In the beginning there was CLSB and Tony saw that it was good.
           
Send a message via AIM to HDTony
Quote:
Originally Posted by oldschoolninja
you can write the code. or atleast try to. And go to the copyright site and get a programmers copyright on the program.

Something i should have done when i coded google, but theres always next time.
tell the truth, you tried to code fieros are us but it kept breaking down




HDTony.... Damn glad to meet you!

Government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it.

- Ronald Reagan

AirTek Heating & Air inc.
HDTony is offline  
post #21 of 28 (permalink) Old 01-05-2006, 06:18 PM
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Posts: 2,068
       
Quote:
Originally Posted by HDTony
tell the truth, you tried to code fieros are us but it kept breaking down

biotch, give me a refund on my HB to u


http://www.copyright.gov/circs/circ61.html
oldschoolninja is offline  
post #22 of 28 (permalink) Old 01-05-2006, 06:20 PM
Jim
Tgf Og
 
Jim's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: lith
Posts: 9,851
Location: lith
Sportbike: trek
Years Riding: 2
How you found us: the smell
           
first off its not a real money maker if your going to try and sell it to just one company, if you want to patent it you must think its worth something to others. great. do some market research on said subject before you present it to anyone, and when your ready to present it. have multiple customers lined up to show it to with the data you have compiled to back it up. i cant help ya on the patent end but champ91 might be able to. oh and if its really all that, hire a professional to sell it for you and pay them soley on comission. its not just having a great product, but having the ability to make the customer believe they need to have it!!

good luck

Join the NRA, help protect our Second Amendment rights
GO Bears!!!!!!!!
Jim is offline  
post #23 of 28 (permalink) Old 01-05-2006, 07:51 PM Thread Starter
Administrator
 
HDTony's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Plainfield IL
Posts: 45,956
Location: Plainfield IL
Sportbike: A couple of pasta rockets
Years Riding: Since 1989
How you found us: In the beginning there was CLSB and Tony saw that it was good.
           
Send a message via AIM to HDTony
Quote:
Originally Posted by JimGoFast
first off its not a real money maker if your going to try and sell it to just one company, if you want to patent it you must think its worth something to others. great. do some market research on said subject before you present it to anyone, and when your ready to present it. have multiple customers lined up to show it to with the data you have compiled to back it up. i cant help ya on the patent end but champ91 might be able to. oh and if its really all that, hire a professional to sell it for you and pay them soley on comission. its not just having a great product, but having the ability to make the customer believe they need to have it!!

good luck
Completely agree, and yes its usable by more than one comapny Having someone sell it woudl be awwesome.




HDTony.... Damn glad to meet you!

Government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it.

- Ronald Reagan

AirTek Heating & Air inc.
HDTony is offline  
post #24 of 28 (permalink) Old 01-06-2006, 07:51 AM
Registered User
 
Labdog's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Roselle, IL
Posts: 9,589
Location: Roselle, IL
Sportbike: 2000 Hayabusa Blue & Silver! Mods-> Oh yeah!
Years Riding: Oh just a couple or so....
How you found us: Old SBN days.......
           
Quote:
Originally Posted by HDTony
Anyone know a good patent attourney that I can trust.
I have not read the entire thread but tell me.....honestly......Is this not an oxymoron??

Attorney--Trust

<--Kelly

.

2000 Hayabusa
2006 Honda CRF50
Labdog is offline  
post #25 of 28 (permalink) Old 01-06-2006, 07:53 AM Thread Starter
Administrator
 
HDTony's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Plainfield IL
Posts: 45,956
Location: Plainfield IL
Sportbike: A couple of pasta rockets
Years Riding: Since 1989
How you found us: In the beginning there was CLSB and Tony saw that it was good.
           
Send a message via AIM to HDTony
Quote:
Originally Posted by Labdog
I have not read the entire thread but tell me.....honestly......Is this not an oxymoron??

Attorney--Trust
I was thinking the same damn thing when I posted that ;laughing




HDTony.... Damn glad to meet you!

Government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it.

- Ronald Reagan

AirTek Heating & Air inc.
HDTony is offline  
post #26 of 28 (permalink) Old 01-06-2006, 05:44 PM
Wild slide rule roots
 
Morrand's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Chicago (W. Humboldt Pk.), IL
Posts: 1,735
Location: Chicago (W. Humboldt Pk.), IL
Sportbike: 2002 Suzuki TL1000R, yel/blk (Street) & '04 GSXR750 (Track)
Years Riding: 8
How you found us: Got the link through NESBA
           
Quote:
Originally Posted by crashomon
+1 on idea only. You do NOT need a working mockup.

www.uspto.gov is the link, I believe

Good luck.
Well, hold on a sec. You can't patent an abstract idea. You need to have a new, nonobvious and useful process in mind to get a patent on it. If you don't know how to implement your idea, it's not patentable. (See here at USPTO.)

That said, you don't actually need to put your Web site idea into code to make it patentable, as long as you can describe the process clearly enough that someone could.

Morrand
NESBA #561 (I)
Jabber/Google Talk: [email protected]
Morrand is offline  
post #27 of 28 (permalink) Old 01-06-2006, 06:06 PM Thread Starter
Administrator
 
HDTony's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Plainfield IL
Posts: 45,956
Location: Plainfield IL
Sportbike: A couple of pasta rockets
Years Riding: Since 1989
How you found us: In the beginning there was CLSB and Tony saw that it was good.
           
Send a message via AIM to HDTony
Quote:
Originally Posted by Morrand
Well, hold on a sec. You can't patent an abstract idea. You need to have a new, nonobvious and useful process in mind to get a patent on it. If you don't know how to implement your idea, it's not patentable. (See here at USPTO.)

That said, you don't actually need to put your Web site idea into code to make it patentable, as long as you can describe the process clearly enough that someone could.
Like if I could photoshop up some screen shots of what it would look like?




HDTony.... Damn glad to meet you!

Government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it.

- Ronald Reagan

AirTek Heating & Air inc.
HDTony is offline  
post #28 of 28 (permalink) Old 01-06-2006, 06:39 PM
Wild slide rule roots
 
Morrand's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Chicago (W. Humboldt Pk.), IL
Posts: 1,735
Location: Chicago (W. Humboldt Pk.), IL
Sportbike: 2002 Suzuki TL1000R, yel/blk (Street) & '04 GSXR750 (Track)
Years Riding: 8
How you found us: Got the link through NESBA
           
Quote:
Originally Posted by HDTony
Like if I could photoshop up some screen shots of what it would look like?
No, but if you can describe how you get there (instead of just where you're going) you should be OK. Photoshopping something up may be a good way to organize what you're doing for your own purposes, but ultimately you need to describe how you're getting it to look that way.

So, for example, you can't just propose to transmit messages through a wireless link (the Blackberry example), and expect to get a patent, because that's too abstract. You have to explain how to do it: first, accept the input, then encipher it, then transmit to a receiving station connected to the Internet, and so on. And, you need to describe it in enough detail that someone could pick up the patent and build from it, given reasonable skill.

If what you're proposing is just a new way that a Web site can look, without any particular change in function, then it's probably not patentable (but you could potentially get a copyright).

Morrand
NESBA #561 (I)
Jabber/Google Talk: [email protected]
Morrand is offline  
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the Chicagoland Sportbikes forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.

User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in










Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page
Display Modes
Linear Mode Linear Mode



Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome