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Another benefit of poles are smacking snotty snowboarders who cut in line. I can get out of my ski's faster than they can get their damn boot off the board. Also its fun to chase them and torture then downhill (had a friend who boarded and I never missed an opportunity to harass him while boarding.


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Permit me to dust off the following time-tested analogy.

Expert Midwestern skiers (I "think" I saw one once) = WERA

Good Midwestern skiers (of which there are few) = Sport Touring

Average to Poor skiers = Cruisers

Annoying Poser Snowboarders = Streets of Woodfield

Talented Snowboarders that just do the terrain park = Stunters

All Mountain Snowboarders that know what they're doing = Track Junkies/CLSB members.

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I bought the woman new ski's for Christmas so that ment I had to go skiing with her. I didn't know that was part of the deal!

I had fun don't get me wrong but I think I spent more time on my ass than on the ski's. I had fun she didn't yell at me so ya know.

The most ironic thing is the people I race for are ski instructors in the winter. They have been telling me for the past 15 years " you'll have to come skiing with us this winter." and like a dumby I think Yeah I will get right on that!"

Now my woman loves to ski and I guess I am paying the price! I still cnat figure out how I can walk around on the bow of a boat, crashing over 15 foot waves and fell like I am on concrete but yet can be so clumbsy on a pair of ski's
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I also forgot that poles are very good teaching aid, especially when your body is cold(hardly happens with beginners). They can inflict good amount of pain for those know it all beginners.

YZFRob, I'm going to Lutsen this sunday for a week.

Underdog I think I like my chances in racing you on skis vs. board
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Underdog I think I like my chances in racing you on skis vs. board
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In all seriousness though - a "good" snowboarder should be able to beat a "good" skier down any bump in the midwest. Especially on a slalom board. If the boarder knows what they're doing (and the skier doesn't get to cheat with the poles at the top) they should be able to capitalize on less friction and carry more speed from top to bottom with a good setup.

The only advantage for skiers that I've seen over the years (and back when I used to ski) is in the ridiculously steep stuff. That extra edge is a BIG advantage when you're trying to line up a chute. Also the fact that you always have a sightline (versus a parallel board with toes facing the wall).

The important thing is that I have love for everyone doing what they like. Some great friends of mine are accomplished backcountry skiers and I couldn't hold a candle to them if my life depended on it. At the end of the day though, our beers taste just as good at the bottom.

IMO - snowboarding is the bees knees. Especially for those of us that don't have mountains in our backyards.

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In all seriousness though - a "good" snowboarder should be able to beat a "good" skier down any bump in the midwest. Especially on a slalom board. If the boarder knows what they're doing (and the skier doesn't get to cheat with the poles at the top) they should be able to capitalize on less friction and carry more speed from top to bottom with a good setup.
I disagree. I do both, I've been skiing all my life and have been boarding since about the mid 90s. I'd challenge someone to a race on skis vs a board. I think the skis will win hands down especially if there is the slightest turn involved, skis are quicker edge to edge which is what you need for speed. I ski on 170 Fischer RX8 skis for groomers /173 K2 Enemy for off piste and have a 163 burton balance board, love them all but when it comes to speed the RX8s will smoke any board out there. IMO Just got back from Big Powderhorn... only if it was closer

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I disagree. I do both, I've been skiing all my life and have been boarding since about the mid 90s. I'd challenge someone to a race on skis vs a board. I think the skis will win hands down especially if there is the slightest turn involved, skis are quicker edge to edge which is what you need for speed. I ski on 170 Fischer RX8 skis for groomers /173 K2 Enemy for off piste and have a 163 burton balance board, love them all but when it comes to speed the RX8s will smoke any board out there. IMO Just got back from Big Powderhorn... only if it was closer

Mike your a little tall for 170's arent ya?
Time to move up to 190's
I used 170's and 180's for jumping and bumps in CO a long long time ago.

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Time to move up to 190's
I used 170's and 180's for jumping and bumps in CO a long long time ago.
BTW, the shaped ski revolution has taken over. The new carving boards are much shorter than old guys expect. I won't even drag out my Vokel 210s any more. I think I dropped to 185 on my last set.

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BTW, the shaped ski revolution has taken over. The new carving boards are much shorter than old guys expect. I won't even drag out my Vokel 210s any more. I think I dropped to 185 on my last set.

That's for sure. As a kid I remember long thin skis way taller than I was. Now I've got a pair of 177 Atomic Tele/AT skis. Fat on the ends and skinny in the middle.

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And don't they turn nice.

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Don't know, just got them a week ago. I was hoping to try them out but the damn weather isn't cooperating.

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BTW, the shaped ski revolution has taken over. The new carving boards are much shorter than old guys expect. I won't even drag out my Vokel 210s any more. I think I dropped to 185 on my last set.
Yeah, the shaped skis can be run smaller. The Fischers I have now are rockets and stick like glue in the steep hard pack. I have the 06 models and man they kick ass. With the conditions around the midwest (mainly hardpack/ice) you want to run a narrow ski under foot, I prefer a sidecut: 115-66-98 = RX8s, Volkl 5 stars are nice, atomic LT:11 all have a similar sidecut. Brand is a personal preference

Tom, if you haven't tried a newer pair of shaped skis try and demo a pair next time out. Try a 160 - 170 and see how fast they are, 160s that are shaped can make some very quick turns. 170s make a little longer carves and imo are very stable at high speeds.

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Ok I havent tried a new pair, I had this same conversation with a guy going up the lift while he was laughing at my old Rossignals. He swore by the his new skis and how much better they are.
Ya know I took that as a challenge

Whats the going price on a decent set of new skis anyway?

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I looked at olympic records. The only time snowboards and skiers did the same event was in 98.

Giant Slalom
on skies
Hermann Maier, AUT 2:38.51
Deborah Compagnoni, ITA 2:50.59


on a board
Ross Rebagliati, CAN 2:03.96
Karine Ruby, FRA 2:17.34


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I looked at olympic records. The only time snowboards and skiers did the same event was in 98.

Giant Slalom
on skies
Hermann Maier, AUT 2:38.51
Deborah Compagnoni, ITA 2:50.59


on a board
Ross Rebagliati, CAN 2:03.96
Karine Ruby, FRA 2:17.34


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Interesting, I always thought skis where faster for sure.

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Ok I havent tried a new pair, I had this same conversation with a guy going up the lift while he was laughing at my old Rossignals. He swore by the his new skis and how much better they are.
Ya know I took that as a challenge

Whats the going price on a decent set of new skis anyway?
Well if you buy top of the line 2006 models you're looking at about $800 to 1100 with bindings. If you find last years model you can save a lot. I picked up my wife a new pair of 05 K2 Apache Blackhawks with bindings for $250 to my door and they cost about $900 when they first came out. Keep an eye out on this site > http://www.steepandcheap.com/ every day at midnight they release a new product at blow-out pricing. Everything from backpacks to goggles, gloves, skis, bindings...etc I believe they are owned by www.backcountry.com which is a large outfitter. That's where I found the killer deal on the K2 skis.

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Gee underdog, did I offend you?

One reason I liked going to Cascade years ago was because they didnt allow snowboards. Didnt have any cutting in line, stopping right at the bottom of the drop off to put their boot in the boards binding, didnt have any stopped in teh middle of the hill trying to make ramps and didnt have them bunny hopping over a young girl on skis after she fell (he had PLENTY of time to go around her).

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I disagree. I do both, I've been skiing all my life and have been boarding since about the mid 90s. I'd challenge someone to a race on skis vs a board. I think the skis will win hands down especially if there is the slightest turn involved, skis are quicker edge to edge which is what you need for speed. I ski on 170 Fischer RX8 skis for groomers /173 K2 Enemy for off piste and have a 163 burton balance board, love them all but when it comes to speed the RX8s will smoke any board out there. IMO Just got back from Big Powderhorn... only if it was closer
I would take that challenge. I raced USASA boardercross for 5 years...spent whole winters living in Denver.
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WOW Rob, I sense some anger at snowboarders coming from you.

I could have all the same comments about skiers too.

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I looked at olympic records. The only time snowboards and skiers did the same event was in 98.

Giant Slalom
on skies
Hermann Maier, AUT 2:38.51
Deborah Compagnoni, ITA 2:50.59


on a board
Ross Rebagliati, CAN 2:03.96
Karine Ruby, FRA 2:17.34


I'll let the times speak for themselves.
Let me say this first. I don't care about either one.

It just did not sound right to me that a snowboard with more surface area would be faster.

So I went a bit deeper and found out that the giant slalom for snowboarding was held on the 1500m alpine slalom course.

The alpine giant slalom was help on a 1900m course.

The time for alpine on the slalom was 1:50.

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Let me say this first. I don't care about either one.

It just did not sound right to me that a snowboard with more surface area would be faster.

So I went a bit deeper and found out that the giant slalom for snowboarding was held on the 1500m alpine slalom course.

The alpine giant slalom was help on a 1900m course.

The time for alpine on the slalom was 1:50.

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This is pointless anyway, it's like people here arguing that a gsxr1000 is faster than an r1 and vice versa. It doesn't matter, because none of you are going to ride at the pro level anyway.
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i have no problem w/ snowboardes. they bought a lift ticket just like i did. however, one of the nice things about Alta is no snowboarders.

the ONE time i tried snowboarding was not a rewarding experience. best part, was trying to get off the lift and getting all handsy with some old lady riding the lift with me. i fell on my ass and as i sat there she turned to her friend and said "i hate snowboarders they should have their own lifts". changed my attitude instantly.
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Where you thinking about going? We usually do a Christmas time trip so it's kind of a crap shoot on the amount of snow at the location we plan to visit.

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