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post #1 of 20 (permalink) Old 04-07-2006, 03:41 PM Thread Starter
 
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MSF question...

OK here's the thing, I signed up my mom's friend and I for an MSF course in June over at the Great Lakes Naval Station.

The thing is, he really doesn't speak a lick of English, nor read, or write.

I'm assuming there's no way he'll pass the class given the classroom portion, am I right?

I thought I'd post this just because I figure there is a shot in a city with as big a Polish population as Chicago there might be some hope?
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uhm....very doubtfull...

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What language does he speak?

Edit...nvm just saw it's polish. Highly doubtful the instructors will know polish. If he could at least read some english he would do okay, since he just has to mark on X on the written test...but if he can't even do that, then there's no way he could pass.

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I suggest seat through the theory part just to be able to participate in riding lessons. He will not get the license, but he will atleast learn to ride a little.

The book for the test and the theory test are available at DMV in Polish, so he will just have to take a DMV test later.

Another option - learn the Motorcycle test broshure in Polish, take the test in Polish, get the permit and go to Ride-Chicago to take the riding part and take the test on their bikes ($340 though)
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I have never seen it happen at the MSF yet, but they may be able to get the test in polish if you tell them in advance.
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There's a test in Polish?

Fuck I never knew that.

Seriously though, I don't think I've ever seen a motorcycle license test in Polish, and I've gotten my permit twice.
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There's a test in Polish?

Fuck I never knew that.

Seriously though, I don't think I've ever seen a motorcycle license test in Polish, and I've gotten my permit twice.

If there is a polish test.... check and see if he can pass the written for a permit and present the permit to the MSF instructor and see if that can be sub for the class portion.

Just a thought.... Maybe worth a try.

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They have tests in Polish language for cars,
but I dont think they have it for bikes.

I had to take it in english - twice

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They have tests in Polish language for cars,
but I dont think they have it for bikes.
Yeah I knew about the car thing, which kind of surprised me the first time I took the permit because this dude came with me and they didn't have any non-English motorcycle tests.

Eh, fuck.

Edit: my name is Peter too.
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I don't think there is one in polish for bikes. He can always memorize that stuff ahead of time and then voila. He should know the rules anyways?
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Does he understand spoken English? If so maybe the instructor would read the questions and answers to him. There are usually two instructors so maybe one of them would be willing to do this. I know I would for my students.

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Maybe you can get somebody to translate for him. I would but I'm bit too far.
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There's not test in polish. We're lucky if there's a single Spanish test in the supplies bin.

BUT the test can be verbally administered and the instructor can clear up what some of the words mean during the administration of the test. He must tell them this beforehand. If he tries the written and fails...he's failed. But he must also understand English. As an instructor, why on earth would I pass you if you understand nothing? Gotta be able to read signs as well and the like. So they're not going to explain what the word "is" is...but the verbal is a valid option.
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One more thing...I didn't catch that he doesn't speak English. Good chance he'll be bounced from the class long before the written. I knocked a student out once because of that. You must, 100% absolutely and whole heartedly understand what you need to do. Communication is key. Class has to keep going at some sort of pace and we simply could not hold everyone up for hours to make it clear to the guy on every exercise...sorry it's a hazard if he doesn't speak at all.
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If there is a polish test.... check and see if he can pass the written for a permit and present the permit to the MSF instructor and see if that can be sub for the class portion.

Just a thought.... Maybe worth a try.
No...we could care less if you even have a license or permit already. They are of zero bearing on your passing the course. Plenty of people with full M licenses already who fail the riding or written part.
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There are tons of Polish driving schools on Belmont near Harlem. See if they have rules of the road book or what they sujest

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Try to get the MSF course book before he goes to class so he can memorize what's in the book. Questions on the test are not that complicated. They are from the book and the videos that you watch during class.
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There are tons of Polish driving schools on Belmont near Harlem. See if they have rules of the road book or what they sujest
The states test is not at all associated with that of the MSF. In fact, the answers to the same questions are different. EX: MSF teaches that there is no best part of the lane to ride in, depends on the situation. The states answer however was that the center portion of the lane is the best.
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As an instructor, why on earth would I pass you if you understand nothing? Gotta be able to read signs as well and the like. So they're not going to explain what the word "is" is...but the verbal is a valid option.
Yeah, I understand this, but at the same time why do they even have non-English automobile licensing tests? Never made sense to me.
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