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post #1 of 35 (permalink) Old 12-31-2002, 02:16 AM Thread Starter
 
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Any plumbers on the board???

I need some quotes for various repairs and installations.

I thinkBuzbyU is a pipe fitter or plumber. I can't remeber if he was residential or industrial. Here's what I need.

Budgetary quotes for the following:

1) Evaluation of a water softener system (including water testing)
2) Price of a new water softener system
3) Installign a sink garbage disposal (new install)
4) Installing a dishwasher (new install including carpentry work)
5) Repair a leak under the sink

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As some of you might know, I'm trying to close on a townhouse and I did a thurough inspetion of the place myself last night and discovered a few things. The place has been unoccupied and the water shut of for over 1 year now.

The previous occupants were a family of 5, they defaulted on their loan and the bank forclosed. The state ended up owning the unit. A Real Estate investor, purchased the property (very cheap), fixed it up a little and resold it to another investor (current seller) who probably paid too much. I'm trying to make sure that I don't get screwed on this place and end up with a place that I can't sell in 5 or 6 years.

I need to get the quotes to take back to the seller in order to get a warranty on the item and/or a reduction in the selling price.

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in case nobody gets back to you before you close the deal, start shopping for some of those items on the home depot website or run into your closest store and just get price quotes. get some printouts of the higher end models and just turn it over to the present owner and start haggling from there
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It's the labor rate and time that I'm not sure about. This kind of sucks because I really like the location and the layout of the apartment and it has a nice 1 car garage, but I have a bad feeling that the seller won't negotiate much on the price. If I have to walk away then so be it.
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Cherry: Are these items going to be newly installed??? Or is there a water softener system that is broken a dishwasher that is broken etc.? I guess I dont understand if they are going to be newly installed and not previously in the unit, why the price should be lowered. Now as for the leak under the sink, the seller should fix that at his cost not yours.

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The new installs for the garbage disposal and dishwasher are for my own benefit.
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Dude dont worry about getting a deal on here yet. Just get a union pluber and carpenter in there to get you official quotes. Then take them to the seller and tell nim to either take care of it or knock the price down by that amount or an agreed upon amount.

Dont worry about getting adeal for the seller. He made his own mistakes. And if he realizes that like I'm guessing he does, then he will be glad to deal with you on it.




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yeah what tony said...they do give free estamates too.


PLUS i am not a plumber...but i could show up and show some plumbers CRACK!



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dishwasher and garbage disposal are something you can do yourself - the hard part will be running the power lines if you don't have any already.

I'd do what Tony suggested, except try and find the most expensive plumber you can, get his quotes, and do as much of the work yourself that you can!
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I just want rough budgetary quotes. don't care abotu a deal right now. I guess I can make some phone calls.

I guess making some of the other items a "do it yourself" job would be more fun anyway.

Again, I'm just worried that I'm paying too much for thsi place now that i found sdome of these other things.

As usual I'm probably just making a big deal out of nothing.
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I guess I'm still confused as to why he should lower the price if you are going to install a dishwasher and garbage disposal. If anything, that will raise the value of your property for when you decide to sell it.

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I guess I'm still confused as to why he should lower the price if you are going to install a dishwasher and garbage disposal. If anything, that will raise the value of your property for when you decide to sell it.
He shouldn't HAVE to lower it. It's my mistake for not realizing it didn't have one before I made an offer. The offer I made was based off of a perception that the unit had one .

This is my first time ever buyign property, basically I fucked up on some of the details. I just want the DW and GD installaltion pricing for my own information. I probably shouldn't have included them in this post. I'll probably end up doing them myself anyway.

I guess I'm getting cold feet because after closer scrutiny I feel like I'm getting hosed a little on the pricing for a unit that's been vacant for almost 2 years.
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dont sweat it cherry...the offer isnt done till you sign the mortage...but you might loose what ever down you put...just have a good inspector check it out.

and as for price to much?
well you did try to knock him down and i guess he budged a touch.

but adding stuff that like is normal..no big deal dude.



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wasn't your offer dependent on your inspection? Just lower your offer - bet he's dying to get rid of the 2 years of extra property taxes.... You may have to gamble with your deposit, I don't know the details of your offer.
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here cherry, you buy the dispozal unit and stuff, ill install it..for..ahhh....a small house warming party for some of your friends around here.



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If you do find a plumber though let me know. I've been lookin' for someone to hook up a water softner for me on the side.

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Hey Cherry Picker my lucky day, I am a union plumber and would have no problem helping you out except I have no idea where yo live. I live in Palatine by rte 53 shoot me an email and your phone number. Crazy shoot me an email also and we can talk.
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I should be able to negotiate, because I am willing to walk.

sbkmike - The townhouse I'm looking at is in Frankfort near Harlem and St Francis. I'll PM my details.

BTW - we haven't given him his earnest money (deposit) yet.
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yeah cherry then bust his balls...he doesn't have shit on you..now go even lower then you did before.....because it doesn't even have the normal home amenities.


better make sure that townhome isnt missing anything else dude.
also too check out your neighbors before you buy...also make sure there isnt a train rail that goes threw the back yeard and a train blasting a horm at 3am too.



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Damn, if you havent put any $$$$ down, then definitely lower your offer by like $2,000. Do you know if anyone else is looking at it? if not, then you have him by the balls. Let him hold onto it for another year and pay another year's taxes on it.

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It's been on the market for 110 days now. I think we will come to some kind of an agreement next week. Thursday he's going to turn the water back on and I'm going to check out all of the appliances. I'm getting a FHA loan, so at the minimum he still need to install GFI's in the Kitchen and Bath and smoke detectors.

I checked Sears.com

A dishwasher is about $300 and a garbage disposal is about $100. Figure another $100 in parts and tools to install both.
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turn the water back on??? yikes. I supposed he hasn't been keeping the place heated either?

bring an umbrella and fishing boots. it won't be fun when pipes burst
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It was heated... and it's a multiunit building.
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Mike, relax Man...... It sounds to me like your gettin cold feet on home ownership. What you want done is minimal shit. Its understandable that you feel like your gettin screwed, I know I felt that way.
Is the new house hooked up to Lake Michigan water? if so a water softener is not necessary. The sink and disposal is easy stuff.
You have pleanty of help around here, just relax, you'll be fine

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Has an appraisal been done on the unit yet?

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Mike, relax Man...... It sounds to me like your gettin cold feet on home ownership. What you want done is minimal shit. Its understandable that you feel like your gettin screwed, I know I felt that way.
Is the new house hooked up to Lake Michigan water? if so a water softener is not necessary. The sink and disposal is easy stuff.
You have pleanty of help around here, just relax, you'll be fine
I want lake Michigan water. The water here is undrinkable.

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I want lake Michigan water. The water here is undrinkable.
Dunno... just says "public". I think Tinley Park is usually Lake MI, but I don't know about this area.


Tom... you're probably right. I've just heard too many horror stories and it's not my dream home, because I'm on a limited budget. Some poeple at work are saying... "Yes that's a good area, the property values increase regulalrly there" others are like "that area is flat and the taxes are really high".... yadah,yadah,yadah.
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Breath Mike Breath........... You'll be ok Call your realtor and ask him about the water, and ask him to do a research on the townhomes in that area, its public knowledge, if you want it you can get it. Im referring to tax rates and resale value.

Basically it comes down to you and nobody else, DO you think its a fair price, and Can you live there without hating every minute your there. 1st homes are Never your dream home, basically its dippin your toes in the water and giving it a test ride.
If anything else, think of it strictly as an investment, because you sure as hell aint makin any money anywhere else right now in the market.

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I need some quotes for various repairs and installations.

Here's what I need.

Budgetary quotes for the following:

1) Evaluation of a water softener system (including water testing)
2) Price of a new water softener system
3) Installign a sink garbage disposal (new install)
4) Installing a dishwasher (new install including carpentry work)
5) Repair a leak under the sink

This will be pretty vague BUT:
As far as the water goes....we can take ours to the county to have it tested...sorry, no clue as to cost.(might even be free)

For a softner install...call places like Culligan and such....they should be able to quote you easy.

Garbage disposal: cost of disp. you want plus about an hr labor for each ($50- plumbing....$50 electrical.....plus permits(not required if you're sneaky about it later )

Dishwahser: cost of + 2 hrs labor on plumbing, 1hr electrical, and carpentry cost of $35/hr and materials(depending on where it can fit in.

The repair under the sink depends on what's leaking.........figure at least 1 hr plumbing labor and parts.....if it's a water line or faucet(which you may want to replace), figure the cost of that as well.


OK, other than the water testing.....I'd knock off about $5 grand from you previous offer and see if he takes it. All totalled, it should run you about $2-2500 for the work( 2.5k is for the hassle of NOT having the ammenities in the first place!)

BTW, don't sweat such little details....it will all work out in the end.
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Depending on how long the water has been off get ready for dry rot gaskets and seals. Just a quick run down--sinks toilets washer furnace humidifier hot water tank and exterior hose spigots. to start with. they may work to begin with but after a short period of time the dreaded DRIP, DRIP, DRIP, and DRIP AT 3 in the AM.

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