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some suggestions please...

On painting my bike. Decided this weekend i would finally start it. Since i have no air compressor, i decided i want to just rattle-can it. Are there any types of spray paint that are better to do this with?? Also, should i just use a fine grit sand on the existing paint to scuff it up, and paint right on it?

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Get the 3m body roughing pads, not sandpaper. Unless you have layers and layers of paint and lines on the bike now.

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It's gonna be black. Can i find that 3m roughing pad at menards, farm and fleet or Ace?

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Oh, and sould i use sandpaper then to remove the kawasaki logo on the gas tank? It doesnt peel off like the other 'stickers'

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The kawi logo on the tank is clearcoated over, so you have to sand it or go at it with a razor then use a paint stripper for the rest. And because it's metal, you should prime it too.
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just so i have this right...

I'm going to:
1-remove body parts
2-remove all logos/stickers
3-strip paint using paint stripper
4-prime tank (sand after prime??)
5-use body rougher on plastics
6-paint plastics and tank
7-install and enjoy!


Oh, and any ol' spray paint will work??

And, do i need to prime the plastics, since there will be no paint on them?

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Paint stripper only on tank. I would use a self etching primer on plastics as well. Wet sand with 800 grit after priming for smoother finish then paint. Where I've read of people rattle canning most seem to use Krylon. Also, don't forget to clearcoat.

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You do not want to sand off the paint. All you will be doing is roughing the plastics for the new paint to adhere better. Basically just sand enough to make the plastics dull from the clearcoat. Also so you know most painted plastics have a flex agent in the paint so that it doesn't crack real easy.


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dude, a good black is hard to achieve. I think Ken will tell you that black is for pros only, a black rattle can job will look Jettt-oh as hell.

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you want my opinion, an opinion from a professional painter?


here is it.

just rattle can over it all if you cant afford to paint it correctly by a professional painter.

doing all that work you want to do is about 1/2 the job of a quality paint job.

in the end no matter what you do, your black rattle can job will look like shit, some of it will come off and your bike will look like you got it out of a junk yard from some hillybilly went to town on it with a rattle can.

you asked my professional opinion when it comes to paint, you got it.

want expert results??? i am the right painter for the job.



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I've always liked the look of a matte black finish on bikes, your Ninja would look pretty mean all darked out. You can't really botch a matte finish.

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matte black ehh? Anywhere i can get the Krylon brand today? Getting kinda late for a saturday so looks like i may have to wait...

Jim, was/is your ninja matte black?? Only thing in town is ace really to get what i need for paint, unless i goto lowes or something in algonquin, so i'm not sure if they will have the kind of paint i need.

Yep odysseys, im cheap! wouldnt be worth a real paint job though, cost over half of the bike itself, and considering i drop it so often ...well maybe not that often, but with my luck i'd drop it as soon as its painted

so far got a 3m scrub pad for paint, and got a 220, 400, 800 and 1000 grit sand paper in case i need any of them...also have black primer and some paint stripper for the gas tank. So far only need the paint for the rest of the bike then?

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oh, and i know perfect black is really hard to achieve, sent a pm to odysseys once earlier, and have heard that any teeeny imperfection beneath shows up clear as day once its done. I'm not looking for anything special when i'm doing this though, just some paint to cover the scratches/pink...haha

Would a layer of clearcoat (spraypaint???) help keep it from cracking/flaking off?

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then i suggest to have fun with it, go get a few cans of olive drab, dessert tan, and brown, its army colors.

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One more thing... don't expect the paint to cure anytime soon in this weather - especially if you are painting outside. You could probably paint in and then bake it outside for a few hours over the next few days but you will need to keep it in so it could really cure. Humidity can ruin a paint job. Good Luck.

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One more thing... don't expect the paint to cure anytime soon in this weather - especially if you are painting outside. You could probably paint in and then bake it outside for a few hours over the next few days but you will need to keep it in so it could really cure. Humidity can ruin a paint job. Good Luck.
oh right. Well nevermind to painting now, i forgot all about humidity. We rent our house and our garage is a POS, so theres no way i could seal it and run a de-humidifier, as in holes in some areas of walls near floor

Is it supposed to be really dry sometime soon?

Anyone own a paint booth that they'd rent out??

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matte black ehh? Anywhere i can get the Krylon brand today? Getting kinda late for a saturday so looks like i may have to wait...

Jim, was/is your ninja matte black?? Only thing in town is ace really to get what i need for paint, unless i goto lowes or something in algonquin, so i'm not sure if they will have the kind of paint i need.

Yep odysseys, im cheap! wouldnt be worth a real paint job though, cost over half of the bike itself, and considering i drop it so often ...well maybe not that often, but with my luck i'd drop it as soon as its painted

so far got a 3m scrub pad for paint, and got a 220, 400, 800 and 1000 grit sand paper in case i need any of them...also have black primer and some paint stripper for the gas tank. So far only need the paint for the rest of the bike then?
Sorry I actually had a life for a little while this afternoon. It is semi gloss black, and yep...rattle can. It was never buffed or cleared over so it looks very matte. The paint never chipped or scratched off, it's been on for a year and has been blasted with tons of bugs and rocks already. I used Krylon Fusion to do it.

If you want a dull black, just use black primer. It's extremely easy to paint with and will fill small scratches. If you use gloss black, it will look like hell.
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sweet, have black primer, so i'm goin with it

I guess im not going to worry about the humidity...if it looks like shit well...it will look better than scratches on the side...and the whole blue/rose scheme. This gives me an excuse at least now to finally replace the valve cover seal, oil/filter, and drain the coolant. Just noticed too now that i was leaking coolant...thought i saw drips once. Looks like i'm gonna have to figure that out too.

Hopefully it'll be all done for strats this week though



Jim, how many coats of primer?? i was thinking 2-3, depending on how it looks

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Total cost to paint it was around $40. And yep, it looks like crap, but it beats the gross stock kawi colors.
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2 coats. Don't paint in this humidity and heat, it will just bubble right off.

Do you have the quick dry primer? That's dupli color black primer on the wheels, I love that stuff.
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Why not wait till you quit dropping it so much, as you said, then paint and fix it up some once you're done dropping it. a lot of work to drop it a few days later, isn't it???

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primer is Brite Touch...says its gen. purpose primer, black.

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Why not wait till you quit dropping it so much, as you said, then paint and fix it up some once you're done dropping it. a lot of work to drop it a few days later, isn't it???
I dont drop it that much, just saying id rather not spend $500+ for a nice paint job when i'm at a higher risk of dropping it, unlike riders who have had a few seasons under their belt. Just that this first season is the best time for me to drop it, so i'd rather not do a nice job. And if i drop it again, i just paint over the scratches, still looks better than the gay scheme its got now

Also, i'm not buying the new front fairing yet, so it'll still be cracked, not putting more than 100 into this for sure

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Why not wait till you quit dropping it so much, as you said, then paint and fix it up some once you're done dropping it. a lot of work to drop it a few days later, isn't it???
Drop and spray over sounds easy enough to me.
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Drop and spray over sounds easy enough to me.
Sanding by hand all body parts and the tank seem like a lot of work to me. Also, if planning to take the tank off to paint, run the gas low for weight and know how to remove the tank properly. Even a half a$$ prep job is a lot of labor. And sorry if I read the comment about dropping it so much, well not that much wrong Hex. And Jim did I offend you on something, thats like 3 or 4 of my posts in a row that you seem to have a negative comment about???? pm me if there is a problem that I do not know about. I didnt mean to offend or piss you off if I did.

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And Jim did I offend you on something, thats like 3 or 4 of my posts in a row that you seem to have a negative comment about???? pm me if there is a problem that I do not know about. I didnt mean to offend or piss you off if I did.
Sorry, not trying to be negative at all. I was trying to help in your dyno thread and already said I didn't mean to come off rough. A lot of times I quote and reply without even looking at who's post it was, so don't think I'm out to get you.

I just figured he would rough the plastic up a bit so the paint would stick better, then spray it over. It really isn't a whole ton of work, I did it before. Well, it is quite a bit the first time because he has to get the stickers off the tank, but if he dumps it again I'm sure he'll just spray right over it and it will look the same. I also know where he's coming from, I had the gross ass green/white/purple paint scheme. Kawi made some really ugly bikes in the 90s. I also looked at it from the standpoint that the bike is 10 years old and not rare in the least, so there really wasn't any point in getting a nice paint job for it. Edit...I had also been riding for a while at that point so there were no worries of dumping it, I just didn't care enough to spend the money on it.
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There was the dyno post, the dmv post, and this one. No worries though. I must just be misreading the replies. Sometimes the "tone of type" is mistaken. If you say no, then I'll take your word. Just wanted to know what was going on. Thanks for the quick reply Jim.

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I don't even remember the dmv post. No worries, I think you're all right.
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Oh yeah, and you called my shield carrier a man bag....J/k on that one.

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