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Crampon anti-ball plates: do they work?

I was wondering if you had anti-ball plates on your crampons and if so do they really work?

I've got a pair of Grivel G-12's with the plates and they worked well for my first 3 climbs. They also worked well on Mac until I got to Motorcycle Hill. When decending back to 11 camp the snow was really wet and I kept having to knock it out of the spikes with my ice ax. I was getting pissed so I stopped the rope for a second while I popped them off and hung them from my harness.

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Crampons - Grivel G-12 Newmatic. I did not have antiballing plates for these, despite having found they worked very well at keeping the balling of snow to a minimum on my Sabertooths in 1999 and 2000. I had fairly serious problems from Motorcycle Hill through the 14,000 foot camp (roughly 11,200 feet through 14,200 feet). From 14,000 up, it was cold enough that balling was not much of a problem. Those in the group with antiball plates had very little problem. My opinion is that the 2 or 3 ounces extra weight is more than worth it in terms of safety, comfort, and the much lesser amount of weight collected on the bottom of the boot. The big advantages of the Newmatics were the ease with which they went on the OR overboots and the spring-loaded adjustment (no bolts and nuts to lose when changing sizes to accomodate bare boots vs. overboots).




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Crampons - Grivel G-12 Newmatic. I did not have antiballing plates for these, despite having found they worked very well at keeping the balling of snow to a minimum on my Sabertooths in 1999 and 2000. I had fairly serious problems from Motorcycle Hill through the 14,000 foot camp (roughly 11,200 feet through 14,200 feet). From 14,000 up, it was cold enough that balling was not much of a problem. Those in the group with antiball plates had very little problem. My opinion is that the 2 or 3 ounces extra weight is more than worth it in terms of safety, comfort, and the much lesser amount of weight collected on the bottom of the boot. The big advantages of the Newmatics were the ease with which they went on the OR overboots and the spring-loaded adjustment (no bolts and nuts to lose when changing sizes to accomodate bare boots vs. overboots).




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Crampons - Grivel G-12 Newmatic. I did not have antiballing plates for these, despite having found they worked very well at keeping the balling of snow to a minimum on my Sabertooths in 1999 and 2000. I had fairly serious problems from Motorcycle Hill through the 14,000 foot camp (roughly 11,200 feet through 14,200 feet). From 14,000 up, it was cold enough that balling was not much of a problem. Those in the group with antiball plates had very little problem. My opinion is that the 2 or 3 ounces extra weight is more than worth it in terms of safety, comfort, and the much lesser amount of weight collected on the bottom of the boot. The big advantages of the Newmatics were the ease with which they went on the OR overboots and the spring-loaded adjustment (no bolts and nuts to lose when changing sizes to accomodate bare boots vs. overboots).


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Mods: We also will require a seperate spelunking forum ASAP!!!

huh? the only caving chills does is in his boyfriend's ass. He climbs mountains.

However we dont need a forum for it, he should just dump all this junk in the health and fitness and stop trying for a separate subforum that only he would post in.

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My anti-ball crampons are fitted with a gas-filled rubber bag in the space directly beneath the center of the foot. It's pretty cool, because upon taking pressure off the foot, the rubber bag expands, and then expels any snow or turf from the crampon. Of course, it sucks if you should inadvertently puncture the rubber bags with the crampon points, that entails an immediate and potentially disastrous loss of anti-ball characteristics. And man, I hate it when that happens. Oh well, I digress, time to go back to the motorcycle forum.

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You guys kill me.

Patrick, I don't know where you came up with that response but it was SPOT ON. Rep sent.

When wearing crampons in warm wet snow the snow tends to build up between the spikes. When enough builds up the spikes don't sink into the snow anymore and provide traction. That's when you slip and fall... very bad thing on the side of a mountain.

Anti-ball plates keep the snow from gathering (balling) in the crampons. The Grivel ones work much better than the Sabertooth crampons a lot of climbers use.

Vcook: I was just kidding about having a separate forum for climbing, ice mountain or rock. Since I'm the only one besides Patrick who does this stuff we don't need our own spot.
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