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Here is a recent video of a college student getting tazed by the police, in a campus library.

http://break.com/index/student_gets_...having_id.html

here's the story from UCLA student news.

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That is beyond words.

ZAP

"I have a medical condition."
"Don't touch me. I said I would leave."

Taze#2...

"I said I would leave... "

Stand up or get tazed again?!?! You have fucking got to be kidding me. You try to stand up after being tazed not just once, but now twice.

"STOP IT STOP IT"

You're gonna get tazed again

"STOP..."

ZAP ZAP ZAP Still zapping him for not physically being able to stand up after being tazed 5 times.

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They are either incompetent fuck wads on a testosterone high or their 'training' is all wrong.

This would be the same fate (or worse) of someone who is neuro-atypical and who would normally 'shut down' when they are yelled at or physically grabbed. That's just so fucking wrong on so many levels.

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ill try to make this short cause i am going to sleep finally tonight.

1. the subject repeatedly resisted arrest. subject did not obey the command stand up about 78times. multiple non lethal attempts were made to subdue the subject into complying. result for the subject? possible misdemeanor changes



2. police were poorly trained or poorly judgmental in the affect of a subject under tazed affects. although different states and different departments have guild lines of arrest some might be for schools in them selfs.

with my knowledge they should have tazed the subject and while under being subdued in a safe position for them selfs and the public made a forced arrest of the subject on the ground.


my summary, that stupid kids mouth and tree hugging tactics were not going to be tolerated and he paid the price. most people need to understand tazed affects on a subject. in the end the teenager will be just fine cause of his physical condition and maybe he will learn his lesson next time he is asked to comply with an officers orders which being arrested or detained.



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p.s the officers will more then likely get a slap on the wrist. with some time off and some more training or not allowed to carry them no longer.



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This makes me sick, those fuckers deserve prison time for that shit.

You gotta be kidding me Ody, they're not peace officers, they're campus police, there's a world of difference. The report states that the guy was walking out of the library when he was accosted by the UCPD officers, you can clearly see that he was at the exit of the library when all the shit went down. That was a bunch of glorified flashlight cops who were pissed off because they don't get any respect from stupid college students and decided to fuck with this one, NOTHING about what they did was justified or understandable.

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1. the subject repeatedly resisted arrest. subject did not obey the command stand up about 78times. multiple non lethal attempts were made to subdue the subject into complying. result for the subject? possible misdemeanor changes

2. police were poorly trained or poorly judgmental in the affect of a subject under tazed affects. although different states and different departments have guild lines of arrest some might be for schools in them selfs.

with my knowledge they should have tazed the subject and while under being subdued in a safe position for them selfs and the public made a forced arrest of the subject on the ground.


my summary, that stupid kids mouth and tree hugging tactics were not going to be tolerated and he paid the price. most people need to understand tazed affects on a subject. in the end the teenager will be just fine cause of his physical condition and maybe he will learn his lesson next time he is asked to comply with an officers orders which being arrested or detained.
Ken, I respect your view on this and believe me, I do understand it.. but I'll throw a real life and now more COMMON twist into it:

Now, wrap that in the context of a high functioning autism person who would basically want to go into a fetal position while being yelled at due to sensory issues...

The whole COMPLY OR DIE type of mentality is so off base here it's not even funny. He was no threat, there never was one and he said he would leave multiple times. They should have just stood there while he left.

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arch, i am with you. but you must understand something. 1 we didn't see what was prior to that video recorder. 2 that kid was 1 mouthy fucker. 3 leaving or not the cops were going to arrest him, and i have a feeling it was more then just not having a pass for using the computer "BTW i didn't read the article"
4 those cops were poorly trained and will get punished. 5 the cops also deserve some punishment too cause they are idiots for a lot of tactical aspects i don't wanna get into.

don't get me wrong, they are BOTH to blame.



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The kid's name was Mostafa Tabatabainejad, he was probably brown, thus the use of force.

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The kids name was Mostafa Tabatabainejad, he was probably brown, thus the use of force.

who knows but what is clear to see is a day in court and an excessive force suit.



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http://dailybruin.com/news/articles.asp?id=38960

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"Tabatabainejad was released from custody after being given a citation for obstruction/delay of a peace officer in the performance of duty. "

There is his 'offense'.

Back to the facts: Tazers can leave someone down and out for 5 to 15 minutes. NO SHIT he can't stand... Let's Zap him again!

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Tazing someone because they are combative is a good way for police to get their job done. Tazing someone because they won't stand up is criminal brutality. Cuff em' hogtie em' and carry the fucker out of there, problem solved. The guys doing the tazing were actual police by the way. We'll see what comes out of this, it only happened yesterday, I'm sure the news will be all over it shortly.

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i am going to bed.

good night everyone.

tonights homework?

find the training and or user guides for taser affects.

since they spelled it TASER youll be looking for info under TASER International , more then likely the X26 or the M26 was unit of choice.



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One day, somewhere...the person using the tazer might simply get an ass beating from the people watching. In this case, I would feel little pity for the officers...be it the right thing to do or not.
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They should take the units used and zap the officers in court multiple times and see how quickly they can 'get up' as part of any procedure be it criminal or civil.

I think a demonstration by those assuming it facilitates compliance is in order.

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well i found some info i have but i cant share it

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but dont worry guys there dept might have to pay 19,800 on a suit if the subject wins.

i agree the cops were bad people and use to much force too.



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I'm surprised that didn't cause a riot.
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Rentocops were total dickheads in this case. You're telling me they couldn't cuff the kid after the first tazz and carry him out.

There were four of them, did they even need to tazzer this kid, was he a threat to their safety?? I am usually all for cops making sure they're safe but this wasn't the case. They deserve to lose their jobs. I give props to some of the other students for getting in their face.

Thanks to video phones, it won't be the students word againts the cops. I wish the kid shooting it would of been closer but I'm sure he was scared of getting the tazzer next.

I think you also need to keep things in perspective here. This isn’t some criminal running from the cops with a stolen car. This is a kid & a student of this university in the library that forgot his ID. So he doesn’t leave right away and they feel the need to tazzer this kid. C’mon.. That should be a last resort.. Think back to College, how many times did you not follow directions of campus security? If I was is in this school, I would of been tazzed so many times I could emit it from my hands like the Emperor by the time I graduated.




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but dont worry guys there dept might have to pay 19,800 on a suit if the subject wins.

i agree the cops were bad people and use to much force too.
I doubt it's very confidential...in a few minutes of searching there's not only training manuals but video's as well. Those confidentiality statements don't really seem to hold
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"I said I was going to leave!!!!" "but... now that you've tazed me, I'm am going to sit here and take this opportunity to preach about the patriot ac----AAAAAHHHHHH!"

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After you've been tazed, how quickly do you usually get up?

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Rentocops were total dickheads in this case. You're telling me they couldn't cuff the kid after the first tazz and carry him out.

There were four of them, did they even need to tazzer this kid, was he a threat to their safety?? I am usually all for cops making sure they're safe but this wasn't the case. They deserve to lose their jobs. I give props to some of the other students for getting in their face.

Thanks to video phones, it won't be the students word againts the cops. I wish the kid shooting it would of been closer but I'm sure he was scared of getting the tazzer next.

I think you also need to keep things in perspective here. This isnít some criminal running from the cops with a stolen car. This is a kid & a student of this university in the library that forgot his ID. So he doesnít leave right away and they feel the need to tazzer this kid. Címon.. That should be a last resort.. Think back to College, how many times did you not follow directions of campus security? If I was is in this school, I would of been tazzed so many times I could emit it from my hands like the Emperor by the time I graduated.
Cops were a-holes, yes. But that kid was DUMB. Would you start screaming at the top of your lungs like that in library? Just because the cop was pulling you out? (before the taser) At least do your badmouthing on the way out. When you sit there in defiance and act like your fighting some kind of social injustice by screaming like a moron because "you are not to be touched" , you're asking for the cops to show you what kind of a-holes they are.

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After you've been tazed, how quickly do you usually get up?
If the kid can start spouting off his objections to the the patriot act I have trouble believing he can't move.

And the answer is .5 seconds...

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I'm surprised that didn't cause a riot.
seriously, I was waiting for the group of students to go vigilante on the cops. That is total bullshit. I've had a few experiences with cops who were power tripping really bad. I hope they throw the book at these guys, I know they'll probably get off with nothing but there sometime someone has to put these guys in their place.
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Cops were a-holes, yes. But that kid was DUMB. Would you start screaming at the top of your lungs like that in library? Just because the cop was pulling you out? (before the taser) At least do your badmouthing on the way out. When you sit there in defiance and act like your fighting some kind of social injustice by screaming like a moron because "you are not to be touched" , you're asking for the cops to show you what kind of a-holes they are.
I personally know many neuro-atypical people (high functioning autism that almost everyone would never know they had that condition) that would scream out things just like that under the stress, overwhelming emotion and complete non-routine nature of what happened.

The 'definance' as you claim is also the exact same brain process of "This is not right / This is not the Routine" type of thinking that would send such a person into a 'meltdown' situation. The whole "STOP TOUCHING ME, I'm LEAVING" signals to me his way of trying to regain some sort of 'normalcy/routine' to the out of the ordinary/non routine situation that came about as a result of their actions.

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Sounds like a condition that would lead one to getting tased a lot...

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Sounds like a condition that would lead one to getting tased a lot...
This is why their training and actions are wrong and need to be altered.

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Higher voltage? You might have a point there...

3rd declaration: In such extreme circumstances, the law is by definition inadequate. To shame its inadequacy, it is necessary to act outside the law, to pursue natural justice. This is not vengeance. Revenge is not a valid motive-it is an emotional response. Vengeance serves no larger purpose. Society does not benefit from vengeance. Violent men are not deterred by acts of vengeance. The only appropriate response to their actions is the one I have chosen to pursue: a course of purposed, intentional violence. Violence intended to instruct, as much as destruct. A course, in a word, of punishment
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Higher voltage? You might have a point there...
You're on the verge (if not already) of embarassing yourself.

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Yes, guilt by association...

3rd declaration: In such extreme circumstances, the law is by definition inadequate. To shame its inadequacy, it is necessary to act outside the law, to pursue natural justice. This is not vengeance. Revenge is not a valid motive-it is an emotional response. Vengeance serves no larger purpose. Society does not benefit from vengeance. Violent men are not deterred by acts of vengeance. The only appropriate response to their actions is the one I have chosen to pursue: a course of purposed, intentional violence. Violence intended to instruct, as much as destruct. A course, in a word, of punishment
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