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hm, interesting Email I got, Welfare/Drug Testing

945 views 53 replies 21 participants last post by  FiReBReTHa 
#1 ·
"Like a lot of folks in the US I have a job. I work, they pay me.
I pay my taxes and the government distributes my taxes as it sees fit.
In order to get that paycheck, I am required to pass a random urine
test, with which I have no problem.

What I do have a problem with is the distribution of my taxes to
people who don't have to pass a urine test. Shouldn't one have to pass
a urine test to get a welfare check because I have to pass one to earn
it for them?

Please understand, I have no problem with helping people get back on
their feet. I do on the other hand have a problem with helping someone
sitting on their ass.

Could you imagine how much money the state would save if people had to
pass a urine test to get a public assistance check?

Please pass this along if you agree or simply Delete if you don't."




Thoughts?


I support this concept, force druggies to decide between drugs or food.
 
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#2 ·
Makes sense to me.
 
#10 ·
(sigh)



I was just about to type this! It's so easy to pass a urine test. The things you can take just to clear your system. And I guess that person didn't even consider the price. Yeah, pay even more taxes to cover that too. :rolleyes

That email is b.s. :flip It's not well thought out and whoever started it just needed to vent I guess.

I tell ya, people that have things going for them always jump on board with something like this quickly. It's so wrong to think that everyone on welfare are druggies and such.

It's the same in most threads - This land is my land and F*CK THE REST. :rolleyes
 
#8 ·
yea, work at any mortgage office, lol never had a drug test here
 
#11 ·
I'll pay for all of the drug tests myself... I just got an e-mail saying I won the Swedish lottery!
 
#13 ·
We'd then have to pay for their drug tests, which could potentially raise our taxes even more! Then, once some of those people failed the drug test, they'd ask for public assistance in kicking/fighting their drug habbit which could potentially raise taxes again!

ahhh, i like it the way it is! ;)
 
#14 ·
It'll never work. It'll never be attempted, and that's good.

I sure wish they'd find a way to get these funds to those that truly need them.

I've seen (vicariously through my sister, who manages a Meier store) too many lobsters and filets get loaded into Infiniti's with that damn link card.
 
#34 ·
This sh1t pisses me off so badly! I know someone who takes full advantage of all that sh1t too... Link card, (but her parents pay for her groceries, so she buys makeup and stupid crap with it)... day care subsidary, medical/ dental benefits, etc... she lives at home w/ no bills and has a decent job so she doesn't NEED any of this... The f***ed up part is that because she didn't earn that much money last year, she is getting so many tax credits and she is getting a $5k refund!! I guess its pretty normal for her to get that size refund every year... Why does she get all that money back when she hasn't had to pay for anything? Shouldn't she be forced to give it back to the state somehow? Instead, she is going to go have a major shopping spree! :wtf:
 
#16 ·
K, so in theory, based on your replies, the only way it could potentially work is if they found a way to cut testing costs. which is possible with the current progress of technology.



What do YOU guys suggest as a solution to this problem?

I hear allot of people against this but I just want to know if any of you have a solution to;

"those people taking advantage of the system to get Drugs."
 
#17 · (Edited)
K, so in theory, based on your replies, the only way it could potentially work is if they found a way to cut testing costs. which is possible with the current progress of technology.

What do YOU guys suggest as a solution to this problem?

I hear allot of people against this but I just want to know if any of you have a solution to;

"those people taking advantage of the system to get Drugs."
The problem of fraud and abuse will always exist because goods that can be purchased on the program can *ALWAYS* be traded for X cents on the dollar for other things. There is no 'solution' to make it 100% fraud/abuse proof.

Welcome to the free market.
 
#19 ·
It is true that there is waste at every level of government and thus the only real soultion is less government. Claiming that it is OK to have the wellfare system we have now is just nonsense. Where does this liberal guilt come from anyway? Helping people down on hard times is not the responsibility of the government, but the family and community (two institutions that have been destroyed in America).

If you like these socialist policies so much why don't all of you go live in Europe and pay 65% taxes? Or better yet, donate 20-30% of your income to either charity or to the IRS (because we do enjoy your company and opinions so we wouldn't want you to leave). Just don't ask me to do it. I don't feel guilty. I make a large donation every April 15th.
 
#21 ·
How did Iraq come up? You've kind of lost me in the akward transition there.

Because I'm not a liberal doesn't mean I am a conservative (though most people are unware of this). I'm a libertarian! I distrust and dislike all levels of government just about equally.
 
#24 ·
We could up the penalties but then those who are put into prison might end up in a better place than where they came from. Add too that now taking many more kids into the social services and foster care system at greater cost...

Sound like a 'solution' yet that lowers the 'cost' to the taxpayer? I don't think so.

As previously stated, often times the 'solutions' are worse than the original problems.

Has anyone actually quantified what percentage of tax payer money from these programs actually goes to drugs?
I would think that needs to be established first to call it a 'problem' that needs 'fixing'.
 
#26 ·
I don't think it is relevant in any way, shape, or form (nor "fair"). I still don't know why you bring it up. Sounds like you have a little obsession, but out of respect for your privacy I will not push that one though.

I don't want to "help" anyone in Iraq either. Government isn't capable of helping anyone but itself and its chronies.
 
#39 ·
Report him? He made hardly anything, was laid off, and has a stay at home wife and two kids. This guy doesn't cheat on anything, certainly not his taxes.

If people here don't know they should see how the tax breakdown. The bottom 50% of people (and remember this is already limited to working, tax paying people) pay less than 1% of total taxes.
 
#51 ·
Yea, but 10% is 10% no matter what you make and if it's good enough for Jesus it should be good enough for Uncle Sam.

And you questioned if it was the Children's fault for having crappy parents (I believe the word was shitty actually). I simply used your same logic to ask if their shitty parents were my fault. And they are no more my fault then the Children's. So why do you want me to pay for it?
 
#53 ·
I'm not sure what you call 'logic' but saying it's not the kid's fault they are born to shitty parents or in bad situations certainly does not mean it must be your fault; as if it's some binary option.

Are you now asserting that no one other than you can or should derive any benefit from your tax money?
 
#52 ·
I say let the e-legal people pay for all welfare,instead of mailing money to
their homeland, you want to stay you must pay.All the protesters can pay also,I'm willing to work and half the time welfare people are working off the books and underpricing all contractors .
 
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