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Road Test....... Difficult!!!!!!

So, I took a motorcyle road test with my 1000cc gixxer at Schaumburg facility today without much practice. And bacause of my 4 years of riding experience (not in the U.S. though), I thought the test was gonna be a tiny piece of cake.

But, damn! weaving test was sooooooooooo difficult!!! I put my foot down multipe times and even missed 1 turn. The result, of course, was..... FAIL!!!!!!

The test is sooooooo freakin too difficult for sportbikes!!!
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It's such a sharp left, right, left right for sportsbikes that the bike has to be always below 3mph, and handle needs to be held at full lock to the left and then to the right. And, that's difficult!

I cannot imagine people without much riding experience can pass that test on sportbikes, but for those who did it, I have a respect for that!



I guess I need at least 10 hours of practice at the site (luckily I live close to that facility) or 250cc light bike to pass it....
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Sounds like you've tried to push yourself through the test with speed while you should have been using friction zone (clutch) instead.

Whatever your experience is, do the right thing and take the free MSF class... This will sharpen your low speed skills and provide you with a license without a hassle of passing a DMV test. Besides, it's a nice refresher.

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How hard is the test on a 250CC bike? I have a Ninja 250 and I want to take the DMV test next week. I'm signed up for the MSF but my class isn't till Sept and I don't want to ride w/o a license for that long. I've been riding since October (~900 miles). I only ride in the city.
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How hard is the test on a 250CC bike? I have a Ninja 250 and I want to take the DMV test next week. I'm signed up for the MSF but my class isn't till Sept and I don't want to ride w/o a license for that long. I've been riding since October (~900 miles). I only ride in the city.
If you have never tried it and never practiced low speed maneuvers, you are likely to fail... I did. Don't wait for the scheduled MSF date, try to get in as a walk in. This weekend is probably the best chance because of the Mother's day.

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I say this all the time: Go find yourself an empty parking lot and (as already pointed out) practice the low speed throttle/clutch.. using the clutch AS your throttle to just inch yourself a little push every now and then... practice your balance and practice your low speed turns.. again, using the clutch as it barely catches/releases....

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I say this all the time: Go find yourself an empty parking lot and (as already pointed out) practice the low speed throttle/clutch.. using the clutch AS your throttle to just inch yourself a little push every now and then... practice your balance and practice your low speed turns.. again, using the clutch as it barely catches/releases....
+1.. Hold the steady throttle and work the clutch. But remember that MSF teaches much more than just the clutch control.

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For the MSF this weekend, should I just show up (I will most likely be going to Elston)? I need just my Driver's License and permit as well as gear?
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Try looking at the cones in your peripheral vision while you focus further ahead. Sort of like riding by feel.

Most likely the slowest your bike will do in gear with the clutch engaged is ~5-7 mph which might be too fast for the course. Use the clutch and rear brake to control speed.

Practice practice practice.

Or as stated above, if you don't care for this BS, take the msf course and get your certificate that way.
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For the MSF this weekend, should I just show up (I will most likely be going to Elston)? I need just my Driver's License and permit as well as gear?
You only need to bring your driver's license on Friday. Nothing else. BTW, not sure where you are at, but it's likely that the farther you go from the city, the better your chances are.

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You have to do diagram 2 at 3MPH? I'll prolly go out this weekend an practice. What exactly should I do for slow speed? The next MSF course is on the 17th at Elston.
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How hard is the test on a 250CC bike? I have a Ninja 250 and I want to take the DMV test next week. I'm signed up for the MSF but my class isn't till Sept and I don't want to ride w/o a license for that long. I've been riding since October (~900 miles). I only ride in the city.

If you have 250cc bike, you are in luck. They are the BEST bike to take the road test with. And, I think your ninja should have pretty good turn angle on your front wheel too. But if you are taking the test, make sure you practice at the site after the facility closes to get familiarize yourself with the course!

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You have to do diagram 2 at 3MPH? I'll prolly go out this weekend an practice. What exactly should I do for slow speed? The next MSF course is on the 17th at Elston.

From what I can think of right now, at that low speed, you need to 1) hold the bike firmly with your knee and ankle (to stablize you and the bike), 2) bend your back and remain very relaxed on your upper body and shoulder (this helps to be more stable and have more control on bike), 3) put your right foot on the rear brake to adjust speed, and 4) don't look too close.

To practice slow move manuver, practice making a straight line at really slow speed (3mph or slower than walking speed). What I do to practice is, like Arch said, find a big parking lot and ride on the dividing line as slow as I can on that line.

Also, practice 8 shaped circle. Start from making a big "8" and make it smaller and smaller as you get more comfortable with your throttle, cluch, braking, and balancing.

But those things are hard to understand from narratives though...

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I say this all the time: Go find yourself an empty parking lot and (as already pointed out) practice the low speed throttle/clutch.. using the clutch AS your throttle to just inch yourself a little push every now and then... practice your balance and practice your low speed turns.. again, using the clutch as it barely catches/releases....


Yeah, a lot of the practices are needed!

Actually, I feel i'm pretty comfortable with clutch and throttle work. In my case, it's more of balacing as it requires handle to be switched to right full lock and to left full lock like 5 times at speed below 3 mph.

It's difficult, but it should give me pretty good balancing skill once I master it though!
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i wish you guys would have came to my free lessons i just did.

with the slow speed tips/suggestions i gave everyone and the little bit of practice they did till they got it down, any one of them if needed would have passed afterward with a little more time working on those maneuvers.



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That's you in the avatar but you had problems with the test?

I'm sure you could handle the weave with a couple hours of practice.
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From what I can think of right now, at that low speed, you need to 1) hold the bike firmly with your knee and ankle (to stablize you and the bike), 2) bend your back and remain very relaxed on your upper body and shoulder (this helps to be more stable and have more control on bike), 3) put your right foot on the rear brake to adjust speed, and 4) don't look too close.

To practice slow move manuver, practice making a straight line at really slow speed (3mph or slower than walking speed). What I do to practice is, like Arch said, find a big parking lot and ride on the dividing line as slow as I can on that line.

Also, practice 8 shaped circle. Start from making a big "8" and make it smaller and smaller as you get more comfortable with your throttle, cluch, braking, and balancing.

But those things are hard to understand from narratives though...
Counterweight posture is your friend on a bigger bike if you're not comfortable at low speeds.

Also, on a sport bike it might be harder to use the clutch to ride slow with the handle bars cocked all the way from one side to the other. Ya can use a little cheat, right before a test, turn up your idle just enough, where you don't have to even touch the throttle at all during the tight maneuvers, simply play with the clutch.
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Ken's class was awesome and covered slow speed stuff (even though I wasn't riding.) Counter-weighting and clutch control seem to be the biggest factors... Lean the bike while keeping yourself upright (weight above the bike, not leaning with it.) and let the clutch do the speed control. Because you are at lower RPMs it will be more jumpy if you are just trying to use the throttle. Keep your eyes up... seeing the horizon helps with your balance because it gives your brain a point of reference.

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I cheated a little bit. I took it with my ninja250 and upped the idle a little so I didn't have to use the clutch or throttle to make the cones

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You obviously didn't look through the turn! DUHH!




I had a bitch of a time getting passed the 3rd cone, after that it was a cake walk. Then again, i got my M class through the MSF class, the weaving exercise wasn't as tight.

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The test is sooooooo freakin too difficult for sportbikes!!!
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I took it on a 250 after 2 weeks of riding makes a huge difference cuz it can turn so sharp and easy going slow. I can't imagine trying to do those stupid turns on a full size bike the whole test is a joke. They think you can drive on the road just cuz you can drive 5mph around a damn parking lot. They should have a larger course or something. Took the MSF class too that was much better had a license already but still took it got 100% on everything and felt that my slow speed driving did improve from the course.
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Counterweight posture is your friend on a bigger bike if you're not comfortable at low speeds.

Also, on a sport bike it might be harder to use the clutch to ride slow with the handle bars cocked all the way from one side to the other. Ya can use a little cheat, right before a test, turn up your idle just enough, where you don't have to even touch the throttle at all during the tight maneuvers, simply play with the clutch.
counterweight posture is fun too, try turning small ass (10-12ft or less) diameter circles with ur bike leaning waaaaaay over.....ah that's fun to try when u have nowhere else to ride to.

jay doesn't riding come so damn natural, although u're definitely more natural with the one wheel nonsense.
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I took it on a 250 after 2 weeks of riding makes a huge difference cuz it can turn so sharp and easy going slow. I can't imagine trying to do those stupid turns on a full size bike the whole test is a joke. They think you can drive on the road just cuz you can drive 5mph around a damn parking lot. They should have a larger course or something. Took the MSF class too that was much better had a license already but still took it got 100% on everything and felt that my slow speed driving did improve from the course.
What would the difference be between a 'full-size' bike and a small bike? A 600cc sportbike weighs less than my GS500 and has tighter steering geometry.

I like the slow speeds test. Anyone can go fast and stay up, but if you drop your bike trying to turn around in the parking lot it becomes pretty obvious that you aren't as good as you may think. Slow speeds require a lot of precision which normally isn't necessary on the street.
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I passed on my 750. As everyone has said practice up! Take it to an empty parking lot that doesn't have a lot of loose gravel or sand and set up some cones. Use whatever you have for the cones and just practice slow speeds. Ride that clutch like hell until you absolutely positively think she just won't stay balanced and just hold steady. You'd be suprised how little it takes to keep it upright once you get your balance and relax. Counter-weighting is key on a bike where the center of gravity is higher. So just practice. When you think you have it... practice for another hour or more.

You'd be suprised when things like this come in handy. After I got my license I still practiced for a few days. If you commute then being able to balance at low speeds makes for an easier ride!
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