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Just got a jury summons for the day before my B-day...

Too bad I'm still not a citizen...

(on that note... if the government can't keep track of the legal aliens what hope do they have against illegals?)

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i had a freind who is a DuPage county judge tell me to just throw away my jury duty notice. if they dont send it cerifited mail, they can't prove that you got it.

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i had a freind who is a DuPage county judge tell me to just throw away my jury duty notice. if they dont send it cerifited mail, they can't prove that you got it.
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Too bad I'm still not a citizen...

(on that note... if the government can't keep track of the legal aliens what hope do they have against illegals?)
heh, maybe they'll speed you through the process to becoming a citizen so you can serve on jury duty because so many current citizens hate doing this.

I found my jury duty experiences pretty interesting. You get to people watch a whole different class of people that you don't usually interact with on a daily basis. It was an eye opener
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i had a freind who is a DuPage county judge tell me to just throw away my jury duty notice. if they dont send it cerifited mail, they can't prove that you got it.
Thanks MoparBoyy, good tip. Thats the smartest thing you have ever posted!
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Thanks MoparBoyy, good tip. Thats the smartest thing you have ever posted!
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i had a freind who is a DuPage county judge tell me to just throw away my jury duty notice. if they dont send it cerifited mail, they can't prove that you got it.
Well, that's an asshole recommendation.

Why not use your constitutional rights to participate in the Justice system? What if, for example, the case involved a motorcycle collision? What if the case involved some law that is important to you or someone close to you? If you don't participate as a juror, then you'll never have a chance to 'have your say' in the American Justice system.

If you really don't care to serve as a juror, then don't register to vote. If you've registered to vote, then you should at least do the responsible thing when they send you a summons.

Its bad enough that some bikers choose to be irresponsible citizens, but let's not perpetuate the myth.




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A juror should not be using that as an opportunity to 'have their say'.

Their job is to weigh evidence and decide guilty or not guilty.

Unfortunately, too many people believe it is their time to have a say.

This is why I would only ever request a bench trial for anything.

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This is why I would only ever request a bench trial for anything.
Unless you done it, and you need some gullible saps to manipulate.

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Unless you done it, and you need some gullible saps to manipulate.
The difference is I'll accept whatever spank I've got coming to me; but if I am innocent, there's no way in hell I will trust a 'group of saps' to uphold the law and properly weigh evidence without putting their own bullshit agenda into it or to be able to see through a house of cards by the prosecution.

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I've already replied saying that I'm not a citizen. I would jump at the chance to do my duty if I could.

Just like voting... it's a citizens right and duty.

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heh, maybe they'll speed you through the process to becoming a citizen so you can serve on jury duty because so many current citizens hate doing this.

I found my jury duty experiences pretty interesting. You get to people watch a whole different class of people that you don't usually interact with on a daily basis. It was an eye opener
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A juror should not be using that as an opportunity to 'have their say'.

Their job is to weigh evidence and decide guilty or not guilty.

Unfortunately, too many people believe it is their time to have a say.

This is why I would only ever request a bench trial for anything.
Not only the evidence. Juries can judge the facts and the law itself. They can block bad laws from being executed even if there is 100% evidence showing that the person is guilty.
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Not only the evidence. Juries can judge the facts and the law itself. They can block bad laws from being executed even if there is 100% evidence showing that the person is guilty.
Activist Jurors... F*ing liberals.

My understanding is there's already a proper path for taking care of 'bad laws'.

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Activist Jurors... F*ing liberals.

My understanding is there's already a proper path for taking care of 'bad laws'.
The fact that jurors can block laws and lead to changes is a good thing, no? We were founded on principals to question our government and to never give them absolute power. So it makes sense that juries can keep judges and laws in check.
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The fact that jurors can block laws and lead to changes is a good thing, no? We were founded on principals to question our government and to never give them absolute power. So it makes sense that juries can keep judges and laws in check.
You're right.

Because...

...um...

OJ was obviously framed.

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You're right.

Because...

...um...

OJ was obviously framed.
You can go through case by case and find good things and bad. But overall it seems good. The idea is that people who seek power can and do let corruption get to them as well as many other things and we are not to blindly give our trust to those in power. I'm sure you can come up with other cases with strange or poor results. But in the end I have a hard time seeing this as a bad thing on the grand scale.
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You can go through case by case and find good things and bad. But overall it seems good. The idea is that people who seek power can and do let corruption get to them as well as many other things and we are not to blindly give our trust to those in power. I'm sure you can come up with other cases with strange or poor results. But in the end I have a hard time seeing this as a bad thing on the grand scale.
Fair enough. I still subscribe to the idea that there are other more proper and laid out ways to change bad laws, like through the legislative branch and through appeals.
I'm curious what Rob's opinion is on the matter.

In your scenario though, juries can subvert all good laws and juries can be swayed by the lawyers... So ultimately, the lawyers have all the power. Eeek.

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.. So ultimately, the lawyers have all the power. Eeek.
which is EXACTLY why you should exercise your right to be a juror and not be swayed by slick lawyers
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which is EXACTLY why you should exercise your right to be a juror and not be swayed by slick lawyers
"In the case of The State of Illinois versus Mr. Smith for the charge of driving without a insurance, we the jury find the defendant GUILTY and recommend the DEATH PENALTY"

Hey.. this could be a good thing...

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"In the case of The State of Illinois versus Mr. Smith for the charge of driving without a insurance, we the jury find the defendant GUILTY and recommend the DEATH PENALTY"

Hey.. this could be a good thing...
Don't play the unrealistic extremes card man. You know that 99% of the time the jury is comprised of normal people. With the juror selection process, not everyone makes it. Again, you don't need to prove some extreme case...as a whole it's a good idea and there's little to debate it.
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Well, that's an asshole recommendation.

Why not use your constitutional rights to participate in the Justice system? What if, for example, the case involved a motorcycle collision? What if the case involved some law that is important to you or someone close to you? If you don't participate as a juror, then you'll never have a chance to 'have your say' in the American Justice system.

If you really don't care to serve as a juror, then don't register to vote. If you've registered to vote, then you should at least do the responsible thing when they send you a summons.

Its bad enough that some bikers choose to be irresponsible citizens, but let's not perpetuate the myth.




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I disagree with you completely. The last thing I want to do is waste my time on a jury or waiting to possibly be on a jury. What if you got on a case that lasted for weeks. I cannot afford that. Thier are way to many frivolous cases and I can't stant attorneys. Thats why I feel this way. I do not want to be part of thier game. I certainly do deserve to vote. Where the hell are you coming from..what planet are you on? You know what else, I really don't give a shit if you agree with me or not.

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My biggest issue with it is that it is a huge waste of time. You are required to show up for something that is a right and a privilege but somehow it is required? Then you have to take at least one day off of work and many companies do not compensate for jury duty which pays a whole whopping 17$... I'll wipe my ass with that check when I get it. So not only did you have to miss a day of work, but an employer is not required to compensate you for a whole day's pay while on jury duty. The kicker? Yea 90% of the time you'll sit in a room and do nothing for 5+ hours and then you're shown the door. It's a load of shit really. If the state compensated you at the very least minimum wage to start with then it wouldn't be so terrible.

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My biggest issue with it is that it is a huge waste of time. You are required to show up for something that is a right and a privilege but somehow it is required? Then you have to take at least one day off of work and many companies do not compensate for jury duty which pays a whole whopping 17$... I'll wipe my ass with that check when I get it. So not only did you have to miss a day of work, but an employer is not required to compensate you for a whole day's pay while on jury duty. The kicker? Yea 90% of the time you'll sit in a room and do nothing for 5+ hours and then you're shown the door. It's a load of shit really. If the state compensated you at the very least minimum wage to start with then it wouldn't be so terrible.
All great points. Don't forget that you have to drive there and pay for parking also. I think it is an insult personally. Some people think it is our civic duty and if you don't do it you are un-American. Thats a bunch of crap.
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