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Researchers Hack Into iPhone Via Web
By PETER SVENSSON, AP Technology Writer
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NEW YORK - Hackers could take control of an iPhone if its owner visits a doctored Web site or Internet hotspot, security researchers reported Monday.

The vulnerability of the vaunted device, Apple Inc.'s first cell phone, is only theoretical for now. There are no reports of criminals actually taking advantage of the security glitch to remotely access an iPhone.

But if it were exploited, hijacked iPhones could be very useful to the same gangs that take over personal computers and use them to disseminate spam, said Charlie Miller, principal security analyst at Independent Security Evaluators, which discovered the flaw.

"You could have a million iPhones dialing the company's main line and overwhelm it that way," Miller said.

In addition, hijacked iPhones could be used to send spam by cell-phone text message, which computers generally can't. Any personal data on the phones, such as private phone numbers and text messages, would be accessible as well.

The flaw applies not only to the iPhone, which was launched just three weeks ago, but also to Apple computers running Mac OS and the company's Safari Web browser, a version of which comes with the iPhone. It does not affect Safari running on Microsoft Corp.'s Windows systems.

The researchers at Baltimore-based ISE haven't released the specifics of the vulnerability to the public, but have provided details to Apple and supplied the company with a patch, a software update for plugging the hole.

On Aug. 2, Miller will present details of the flaw at the Black Hat USA hacker conference in Las Vegas and online. That will make it easier for criminals to replicate the exploit, but he stressed that it should also be easy for Apple to release a patch to all its users before then. The iPhone and Macintosh computers are configured to receive software updates automatically from Apple.

"Hopefully, on Aug. 2, nothing happens: we release the information, everyone's patched and that's it," Miller said.

Apple spokeswoman Lynn Fox said Apple is looking into ISE's report, but would not say if there are plans for a patch.

"We always welcome feedback on our security," Fox said.

Miller said the flaw did not necessarily reflect badly on Apple.

"I'm sure that if you put any sort of mobile device that's complex enough in front of me, we'd find pretty much the same thing," he said. At the same time, "the security of the iPhone is not as good as the security of the Mac desktop, and I think that's something they need to work on."

Miller and the rest of the ISE team, which included Jake Honoroff and Joshua Mason, discovered holes in the security of the iPhone within minutes of getting their hands on their boss' phone.

"He didn't really want to let us do it, but eventually he gave in, and we poked around with it for a few minutes, and already saw some things that could make the programs crash," Miller said.

Their technique, called "fuzzing," involves sending lots of random or improperly formatted data to a device, and noting what causes crashes or other problems that could be openings to sending code that takes over the device.

To protect an iPhone against this and similar future vulnerabilities, the ISE team recommends that users only visit sites they trust, not open Web sites from e-mails and not use unfamiliar Wi-Fi hotspots
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Apple "prides" itself on being hack-prrof for the most part, though.

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i'm sure this will be fixed soon, i still wouldn't pay that much for a phone though.....
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Apple "prides" itself on being hack-prrof for the most part, though.
which is BS, they dont have as many hacker/virus problems just because they have a much smaller market share. Make a phone as popular as the iphone and welcome aboard says microsoft. hahaha!!!

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Apple still prides themselves on releasing patches ASAP. Give them a bit more time and they will be once a month patch like Microsoft...Apple will have their Patch Tuesday and Exploit Wednesday. Which is not necessarily a bad thing, means they've grown up and gained a significant share of the market.
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Any company that thinks their software (or hardware for that matter) is bulletproof is kidding themselves.
Yes and no. If you write small simple software, then it's bullet proof more or less. It's when things get complex with features and functionality that the holes open up. The bigger they are the harder they fall.
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Not so much "hack proof" as "virus proof" as well all know you can hack anything - Ceptin maybe Unix

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Yes and no. If you write small simple software, then it's bullet proof more or less. It's when things get complex with features and functionality that the holes open up. The bigger they are the harder they fall.
The problem is, no one likes to use 'simple software' anymore. Not many coders bother with type checking, boundry checking, null terminated strings, etc. They make assumptions that it will be used 'right' and don't bother with coding for if people purposely try to break it. Why? Because that takes too much time, and time is money and we have to get that fucking piece of shit buggy code out the door because some marketing fucktard promised a launch date by pulling it out of their ass completely against what the engineering team said it could be done by....

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Not so much "hack proof" as "virus proof" as well all know you can hack anything - Ceptin maybe Unix
If you can hack it, you can put a virus on it. In fact, hack is not the best word, people just think "ooh, hacker". All you are is a software developer who likes to go backwards
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The problem is, no one likes to use 'simple software' anymore. Not many coders bother with type checking, boundry checking, null terminated strings, etc. They make assumptions that it will be used 'right' and don't bother with coding for if people purposely try to break it. Why? Because that takes too much time, and time is money and we have to get that fucking piece of shit buggy code out the door because some marketing fucktard promised a launch date by pulling it out of their ass completely against what the engineering team said it could be done by....

Welcome to the commercial software industry
Well that and the fact that coders also get paid for finding bugs. What better job security than to push something out now, and then go back and check for bugs. There's no shortage of coders who write in bugs intentionally to go back and find them later to seem like they are doing a fantastic job.
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Well that and the fact that coders also get paid for finding bugs. What better job security than to push something out now, and then go back and check for bugs. There's no shortage of coders who write in bugs intentionally to go back and find them later to seem like they are doing a fantastic job.
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Ok, but aren't we talking about Apple and the Iphone?
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If you can hack it, you can put a virus on it. In fact, hack is not the best word, people just think "ooh, hacker". All you are is a software developer who likes to go backwards
See, I guess the terms throw me beacuse I think of a hacker as someone who can git "in and rip" and then get out - Snatching 411 - A Virus to me is something that launches when you open a bad attachment - I know I am being VERY generic here and regardless (again with the cept of unix) anything can be hacked - It is just a matter of time and effort applied

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Why must some of you have such rage against Apple... C'mon... Do we all forget a mere year ago when Gates was so arrogant to release Vista to Blackhat to see just how secure it was.... if I recall correctly... less then 20 mins for full exploit...


So.. to summarize my response to this thread...

.... So what... everything has an exploit!

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(again with the cept of unix) anything can be hacked -
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Forget exploits. We're moving into the era of the Blue Pill. Take the Blue Pill and no further exploits are ever needed.
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All versions ... HP-UX, Linux, etc.
Man I have been out oif it for a while - last I knew UNIX was un hackable - Do they still run. "If then: GOTO" statements

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Out of curiosity, how many of us are in the IT field?
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