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Cops: Traffic blitz not effort to fleece drivers

August 7, 2007

By BILL BIRD Staff Writer

"Directed traffic safety programs" aren't about police officers playing "gotcha" with unsuspecting motorists just to pump up municipal coffers with ticket revenue - they're about taking some of the danger out of driving, Naperville police Cmdr. Mike Anders says.

"We're not trying to surprise anybody," said Anders, the police department's traffic section commander. "We're trying to emphasize traffic safety."

He argues that if Friday's coordinated effort on Ogden Avenue between Yorkville and Hinsdale - which will involve nearly a dozen law enforcement agencies - was simply an excuse for a ticket blitz, there would be no electronic message boards out there such as the one near Ogden Avenue and Fort Hill Drive in far west-central Naperville, which alerts motorists to the impending campaign.

And police certainly wouldn't be issuing advance statements about the program to area media, as they have done in this case and prior to similar efforts conducted May 9, 2006, and last May 23 along 20-mile stretches of Route 59, he said.

"If everybody did drive more safely, that'd be great" and might lessen or even eliminate the need for such campaigns, Anders said. "But traffic safety is very important, and one way to (emphasize) it is with a high-profile traffic enforcement effort."

Officers from 11 police agencies will target a roughly 30-mile stretch of Ogden Avenue. The Naperville section alone - wending from Naper Boulevard on the northeast to Route 59 on the southwest - is traversed by an estimated 30,000 to 40,000 motorists each weekday, according to Naperville traffic statistics.

Participating agencies are expected to include the Aurora, Clarendon Hills, Downers Grove, Hinsdale, Lisle, Naperville, Oswego, Westmont and Yorkville police departments, along with the DuPage County Sheriff's Office and Illinois State Police.

Naperville police officers expect to be out in force from about 7 a.m. to 3 p.m., Anders said.

Advance publicity about the May 2006 and May 23 safety enforcement efforts on Route 59 either failed to reach or failed to impress more than 700 motorists, all of whom wound up with traffic citations.

Police officers participating in the May 2006 campaign wrote an estimated 400 tickets during that effort. The May 23 program ended with more than 352 citations being issued.


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careful speeding on 34!!!!!!!!! ....... between 7am and 3pm then open the throttle and let that bitch fly!

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Maybe they should focus on teaching people to drive better, and be more respectful of other motorists.

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Maybe they should focus on teaching people to drive better, and be more respectful of other motorists.

What a waste of time.
One good way to teach people to slow down is to give them fines for speeding when speed limit signs don't seem to do the trick.

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I like how the term "traffic safety" is the catch-all for justifying any and all traffic stops. How are the roads any "safer" after one of these "Traffic Safety" campaigns? Just how are we going to define "safer" anyway? It sounds to me like the LEOs are going to jump on any and every violation they can in the name of safety.

Just call it what it is- revenue generation. It was the same story with the Route 59 "safety" campaign last year too. Yeah, that changed a lot.

Besides, "there's never a cop around when you need one" when you encounter most unsafe driving.

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One good way to teach people to slow down is to give them fines for speeding when speed limit signs don't seem to do the trick.
Slowing down doesn't necessarily mean safter though. Having people driving in fear of always getting pulled over doesn't make for someone necessarily concentrating on the task of driving either.

I'd personally like a day where everyone that doesn't use a turn signal get tickted somehow. There's a good start.

My whole point is these one-day (or even one-week-- however long) safety things work for a day (or however long) then people return to their normal patterns of generally poor driving (if they were poor drivers before). Then the police stations report their totals to the media and to the state, and the whole project is made out to have almost revolutionized the way motorists drive in their towns. Please.
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I like how the term "traffic safety" is the catch-all for justifying any and all traffic stops. How are the roads any "safer" after one of these "Traffic Safety" campaigns? Just how are we going to define "safer" anyway? It sounds to me like the LEOs are going to jump on any and every violation they can in the name of safety.

Just call it what it is- revenue generation. It was the same story with the Route 59 "safety" campaign last year too. Yeah, that changed a lot.

Besides, "there's never a cop around when you need one" when you encounter most unsafe driving.

It's not the LEO's fault. It's your local governer and politicians who get together and come up with these stupid things. The cops are just the ones who have to do the dirty work.
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What safety my ass It all about revenue...if it was about safety they would people over reading, yacking away on cell phones, shaving, applying make-up, brushing their teeth and a host of other things that people do while driving!

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It's not the LEO's fault. It's your local governer and politicians who get together and come up with these stupid things. The cops are just the ones who have to do the dirty work.
Yeah, that's kinda a given. Some LEOs aren't above power tripping and take these opportunities to flex nutz. Some, not all. I'm also sure they're given orders to jump on any little thing they see and ticket it when they otherwise wouldn't.

Eh, I won't be around Rt34 when that's going on anyway. "If it doesn't affect me . . ."

Did they say what they did with the money from the 700 tickets issued last year? What's an average moving violation? $75? I'd bet they put into implementing more safety programs, right?
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i see a time where every car will have a breathalyser to start it and speed limit signs will have wireless control over the speed your car and what it can top out at so no matter how much you floor it your car reacts with the sign and wont go any faster kinda like the last lap on mini-kart race tracks they slow you down on the way in. this will also be in the day an age of electric cars, they already have gps on em too, shits gettin advanced out there. and nissan is already doing the breathalysers btw...

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Did they say what they did with the money from the 700 tickets issued last year? What's an average moving violation? $75? I'd bet they put into implementing more safety programs, right?
It probably goes into some overpaid politicians pocket to make him even richer.
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Maybe if they would come up with some reasonable speed limits people wouldn't be speeding. 34 should be 55 mph anyways. and 355 should be at least 75.




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Maybe if they would come up with some reasonable speed limits people wouldn't be speeding. 34 should be 55 mph anyways. and 355 should be at least 75.

I'm not sure about 34 being 55mph through like Downers Grove and Naperville. Those frackin' tards rear end eachother and don't know how to use the center turn lane as it is. Adding more speed to that is only going to cause more damage.

I still say we need to make it much harder to get a drivers license (not more expensive, just more skill required), plus regular skill retests. But as much of a cluster as our DMV is today, I doubt that will ever happen.

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you guys are getting to emotional


remember. you are taking this as offense to you


yes, the speed limit should be 55...
for us who respect the speed and keep aware at all times

but remember at 35 for a soccer mom with a 2year old in back on the cell phone in an expedition is DEATH FOR US.

They are trying to stop THOSE people.

But, we cannot pick and choose who gets slammed sadly. so yes we do have to get hit at the same time.


Why do you care if its a revenue generator? JUST obey the speed. you break the speed, you get caught, you pay.

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The point is, don't call it a "safety program" because it's not necessarily doing anything to make the road safer. If they called it a "speeding crackdown" or something, then I'd have no problem with it.

For the record, I hate when motorists around me think they're too good to follow the rules of the road. I'm all for making people better drivers. This isn't going to do anything to affect traffic safety one bit. Slowing people down out of fear of getting a ticket doesn't conclusively make them any safer.
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Have any of you ever tried doing the speed limit on our expressways? it's a deathwish. Our elected officials should look at the average speed on the roads and set the speed limits to that speed, after all it's just like us giving our vote individually, which was good enough for their sorry buys to be elected.


And yes if I seem emotional, I have the right to be I am still paying off an $800 speeding ticket this this lovely state which I feel pays for my right to be pissed and outspoken on this issue.




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/\ Our state's highest ranking elected official chooses not to take the expressways bearing his name and likeness. He'd rather fly on taxpayer's money.

Conclusion? Just fly everywhere. There's less traffic stops.
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but thats the thing

they raise speed limit on the highway, then all of a sudden there are more accidents by bimbos and then the state is semi responsible.


Yes. MI has faster speed but their traffic does not contend with ours.

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Have any of you ever tried doing the speed limit on our expressways? it's a deathwish. Our elected officials should look at the average speed on the roads and set the speed limits to that speed, after all it's just like us giving our vote individually, which was good enough for their sorry buys to be elected.
And yes if I seem emotional, I have the right to be I am still paying off an $800 speeding ticket this this lovely state which I feel pays for my right to be pissed and outspoken on this issue.
I actually tried this going to OHare last night, just because I had the time to waste and I had thought about your post before.. My younger two were laughing their butts off as everyone was just flying by us as we stayed in the right hand lane the whole way down 88 and 294

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but thats the thing

they raise speed limit on the highway, then all of a sudden there are more accidents by bimbos and then the state is semi responsible.


Yes. MI has faster speed but their traffic does not contend with ours.

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Once your 50 miles away from chicago, than the speed limit jumps to 65. I see the same thing with surrounding states. When the highway hits the suburbs the speed drops.
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I actually tried this going to OHare last night, just because I had the time to waste and I had thought about your post before.. My younger two were laughing their butts off as everyone was just flying by us as we stayed in the right hand lane the whole way down 88 and 294
Ditto. I got overly careful after Tony got boned by the highway patrol. I was doing the posted limit and I felt like a 'tard with everyone blowing past me.

On my way to work in the morning, it's 75-80MPH up 355 to 290 and picks up the speed to 80-85 when you get around Schaumburg where it opens up another two lanes.

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I actually tried this going to OHare last night, just because I had the time to waste and I had thought about your post before.. My younger two were laughing their butts off as everyone was just flying by us as we stayed in the right hand lane the whole way down 88 and 294

Yeah I tried doing 45mph in a construction zone on 88 on a weekend. Wow was that dangerous. I was in the right lane and people would fly up on my ass, almost rearend me and either tailgate and get pissed off or fly around and cut me off. That's not safe.
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I'm not sure about 34 being 55mph through like Downers Grove and Naperville. Those frackin' tards rear end eachother and don't know how to use the center turn lane as it is. Adding more speed to that is only going to cause more damage.

I still say we need to make it much harder to get a drivers license (not more expensive, just more skill required), plus regular skill retests. But as much of a cluster as our DMV is today, I doubt that will ever happen.
Or set up a fine structure like they have in Germany...Also, it's extremely expensive to get a drivers license in germany for first time drivers. They have to take a class that costs 1000 and has a pass rate of about 60%. We should do the same here, it would stop so many teenagers from getting their license so easily...

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Ditto. I got overly careful after Tony got boned by the highway patrol. I was doing the posted limit and I felt like a 'tard with everyone blowing past me.

On my way to work in the morning, it's 75-80MPH up 355 to 290 and picks up the speed to 80-85 when you get around Schaumburg where it opens up another two lanes.
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I actually tried this going to OHare last night, just because I had the time to waste and I had thought about your post before.. My younger two were laughing their butts off as everyone was just flying by us as we stayed in the right hand lane the whole way down 88 and 294
Told you guys.... It's insane!!!

I actually view it as entrapment at this point. They set the speed lower than it is safe to do, then ticket everyone who is just trying to be safe and keeping up with traffic. and we are paying them for this service out of our taxes each month.




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Does anyone remember when the signs used to say "45mph Construction Zone... When workers are present"
That was always nice. Now I take 88 everyday and up until recently they were never there.
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Maybe if they would come up with some reasonable speed limits people wouldn't be speeding. 34 should be 55 mph anyways. and 355 should be at least 75.
I would say 45 for Ogden... and 85 for 355... That way when I am doing 100 it wont be such a big deal...

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