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If we were to colonize Mars...

What do you think the best use would be?

Same thing we have here on Earth - a mix of different variables based on suitability to climate

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I tend to side with the following scenario...

Manufacturing - automate it as much as possible and move all world wide manufacturing to Mar. Pollute the hell out of Mars instead of the Earth. The atmosphere is "dead" to begin with.

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I'd just see it as a learning step to go farther and farther and eventually out of the solar system.

When our sun dies eventually, whether we are on earth or mars, we're fucked as a species unless we go beyond... So I wouldn't pollute the step like you suggest

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I'd just see it as a learning step to go farther and farther and eventually out of the solar system.

When our sun dies eventually, whether we are on earth or mars, we're fucked as a species unless we go beyond... So I wouldn't pollute the step like you suggest
But, the atmoshpere is already "polluted". Whether or not we use it as a step to outer space, the planet is uninhabital by man unless we take great moves to create an atmosphere where one does not exist. What I am saying is, we can still use it as a step. What else can we use it as?

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The logistics of transporting resources and finished products to and from Mars would be well astronomical. I think the only thing Mars is going to be good for is an elite getaway for only the richest of rich. But then again you never know, look how far motorized vehicles have come in such a short period of time. just my
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Good topic Jon. I agree with Phil about the transportation costs being to high for it to be a manufacturing center. My best guess is that it will be colonized until it can be self sustaining and then declare it's independence much like the US did.

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originally, the moon was thought to be a stepping stone to the terrestrial planets but due to the new rockets (http://www.space.com/businesstechnol...51019_ipd.html) we may not need a stepping stone!

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originally, the moon was thought to be a stepping stone to the terrestrial planets but due to the new rockets (http://www.space.com/businesstechnol...51019_ipd.html) we may not need a stepping stone!

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besides, with DOOM and Total Recall, I really don't want to go to Mars...I mean Hollywood knows all!
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The logistics of transporting resources and finished products to and from Mars would be well astronomical. I think the only thing Mars is going to be good for is an elite getaway for only the richest of rich. But then again you never know, look how far motorized vehicles have come in such a short period of time. just my
I know this is out there, but "space elevators" (nano based structures) are a reality and could address the high costs of transportation.

The real question is how do you handle the loss of jobs due to mechanization.

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I know this is out there, but "space elevators" (nano based structures) are a reality and could address the high costs of transportation.

The real question is how do you handle the loss of jobs due to mechanization.
I saw that on Discovery or Science channel.... cool idea but there's a lotta shit between here n Mars can a elevator on a string reach that far without gettin severed almost immediately? we need teleportation!! loss of jobs presents a whole nother debate but shit it'll happen on earth before it does on mars!
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Honestly, I'm surprised that we don't use the moon as a telecomunications/weapons satellite (than again, who knows what we got up there). Considering every satellite we send up in space falls back down at a fraction of time it will take the moon, it would've only made sense to set electronics up there during the Apollo missions...

Back to mars though, by the time we have technology to inhabit the planet, we'll prolly all be dead due to pollution that we caused ourselves...

Space elevators wouldn't help the 3 year travel to or from mars.
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Honestly, I'm surprised that we don't use the moon as a telecomunications/weapons satellite (than again, who knows what we got up there). Considering every satellite we send up in space falls back down at a fraction of time it will take the moon, it would've only made sense to set electronics up there during the Apollo missions...

Back to mars though, by the time we have technology to inhabit the planet, we'll prolly all be dead due to pollution that we caused ourselves...

Space elevators wouldn't help the 3 year travel to or from mars.
How would we, the USA, govern those though? Sure, we could tell Russia, "Hey, that's ours, leave it alone" but with top secret technology just sitting on the moon with out anyone defending it, how do with protect it?
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How would we, the USA, govern those though? Sure, we could tell Russia, "Hey, that's ours, leave it alone" but with top secret technology just sitting on the moon with out anyone defending it, how do with protect it?
How do you protect the satellites that our orbiting the space right now?!? Shit is more exposed and easier to compromise/intercept that something that's on a planet/moon.
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How would we, the USA, govern those though? Sure, we could tell Russia, "Hey, that's ours, leave it alone" but with top secret technology just sitting on the moon with out anyone defending it, how do with protect it?
uhm, i'm not 100% sure but I don't think the same side of the moon always faces the earth at all times. with sattelites they always face the earth or each other making it possible to always transmit back to earth.
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How do you protect the satellites that our orbiting the space right now?!? Shit is more exposed and easier to compromise/intercept that something that's on a planet/moon.
Touché. Didn't think about that
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uhm, i'm not 100% sure but I don't think the same side of the moon always faces the earth at all times. with sattelites they always face the earth or each other making it possible to always transmit back to earth.
Never heard of the dark side of the moon?
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uhm, i'm not 100% sure but I don't think the same side of the moon always faces the earth at all times. with sattelites they always face the earth or each other making it possible to always transmit back to earth.
I am 100% sure, the same side of the moon does always face the earth at all times.
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I am 100% sure, the same side of the moon does always face the earth at all times.
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I am 100% sure, the same side of the moon does always face the earth at all times.
yeah one side has more mass so the gravity between the moon and the earth keeps that side facing the earth.

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What do you think the best use would be?

Same thing we have here on Earth - a mix of different variables based on suitability to climate

Agriculture

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I tend to side with the following scenario...

Manufacturing - automate it as much as possible and move all world wide manufacturing to Mar. Pollute the hell out of Mars instead of the Earth. The atmosphere is "dead" to begin with.
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Honestly, I'm surprised that we don't use the moon as a telecomunications/weapons satellite
It's because we have yet to land on the moon and return back safely to earth. Hollywood and trick photograph, bro.

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By the time traveling to Mars will become economically feasible / profitable, our understanding of many things may change so much, that mass manufacturing and agriculture may not exist at all. Example: today parents teach their children how to tie shoes and put on clothes. With the development of nano/bio tech it is quite possible that in 20 years parents will be teaching children how to live with / command a swarm of body-cover nanobots that can change color and shape around your body, protect you from impact and temperature changes. It is laughable now but it is possible.

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I agree that Mars will eventually be colonized. We may figure out a way to bring materials back from the planet, but not likely for a long long while.

As with all colonies it will eventually break away and become independant.

Yes, the same side of the moon ALWAYS faces the Earth. The first time human eyes saw the other side of the moon was on Apollo 8.

Jay has a very good point about our satellites. They are very vunerable to attack. During the Cold War the Soviets and the US decided that even though we had the technology to knock down each others' birds we'd leave space alone. Now, however, the Chinese have demonstrated they can knock down satellites in high-earth orbit (geosynchronous and above).

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Mars is 4 and half years away by space shuttle. I don't see this happening before I'm dead.
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Colonizing Mars, I agree. But I'm hopeful that humans will set foot on the planet in my lifetime.

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We have to pollute mars. We need a shit ton of CO2 in order to even start thinking about Terraforming Mars. If we could send all the CO2 produced on earth for the next 10 years, then seed it with algae and what not, we would have a suitable atmosphere to hold in the suns heat.

Even so, we have to figure out how to mine asteroids for precious metals and what not for fuel first. We still have quite a ways to go. Maybe in our lifetime? Who knows but I hope.
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By the time traveling to Mars will become economically feasible / profitable, our understanding of many things may change so much, that mass manufacturing and agriculture may not exist at all. Example: today parents teach their children how to tie shoes and put on clothes. With the development of nano/bio tech it is quite possible that in 20 years parents will be teaching children how to live with / command a swarm of body-cover nanobots that can change color and shape around your body, protect you from impact and temperature changes. It is laughable now but it is possible.
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