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post #1 of 36 (permalink) Old 08-19-2007, 05:45 PM Thread Starter
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It's Official...MotoGP = Watching Grass Grow

It's offical...MotoGP is about as exciting as watching the grass grow and only slightly more exciting than watching paint dry.

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I am DVR'ing it and if it is boring, I don't care cuz with a wet weekend like this, I am cool with couch time and ANY bike racing hence me sitting thru 3 AMA races this weekend too

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I was going to make this very same post. Boring.
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It's offical...MotoGP is about as exciting as watching the grass grow and only slightly more exciting than watching paint dry.
I agree, MotoGP is boring.
World Super Bike IMO is the best to watch.
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Yup - Just finished watching the race and yes, rather boring - The P4 - P8 battle was good for a little bit

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They asked for it...suddenly the "point and shoot" 990's look much more desirable, eh.

The 800's offer one line through the corners, they don't have the grunt to make up for mistakes or odd lines on straights...thus, the field strings out and offers much less in the way of exciting, bar banging racing.

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Did ya guys see the AMA Supersport race though? Now that was an awesome race

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They asked for it...suddenly the "point and shoot" 990's look much more desirable, eh.

The 800's offer one line through the corners, they don't have the grunt to make up for mistakes or odd lines on straights...thus, the field strings out and offers much less in the way of exciting, bar banging racing.
This is the Freshman Yr for the 800's - I think we will see more good to come - There is no way the will just "peak" this early like the 500's did at their end of life

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What was their reason that they went down to 800cc? Most of the races this season seems that someone always runs away with it.
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Did ya guys see the AMA Supersport race though? Now that was an awesome race
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This is the Freshman Yr for the 800's - I think we will see more good to come - There is no way the will just "peak" this early like the 500's did at their end of life
I agree that they will get better, but the nature of shifting an emphasis towards corner speed rather than outright power equates to single line racing, and thus a strung out field.

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What was their reason that they went down to 800cc? Most of the races this season seems that someone always runs away with it.
There's debate on this one...Dorna/FIM claimed originally it was for safety, to lower the speeds...this has not been the case as lap times have actually dropped.

Many inside the series feel the ultimate aim is to return to a peakier, more difficult to ride bike...more like the 500's...squeezing as much power as possible out of smaller and smaller displacement means narrower power bands and more drastic results when "getting it wrong".

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If its boring and you don't get it, stop watching it.

They need to get rid of some of the electronics in order to make things more visually exciting for the average fan.

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If its boring and you don't get it, stop watching it.

They need to get rid of some of the electronics in order to make things more visually exciting for the average fan.
http://www.cycleworld.com/article.as...&page_number=8

check the blog entry from 8/15
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They need to get rid of some of the electronics in order to make things more visually exciting for the average fan.
Are you calling Kevin Schwantz an "average fan"?

Read question #7:
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...and I would completely disagree with that sentiment. Sure, lap times are faster, corner speed higher and competition seemingly at an all time high...but it doesn't translate to action on the race track. The current equation results in a VERY monotonous and drab race. Sure, I (and all of you other true fans) still love it, popularity has not been higher...but I think the style that the 990's presented, or even potentially the 800's minus traction control just equates to better racing and a more presentable product.

Watch Aaron Yates race, even now (he uses VERY little traction control as he just doesn't like the droning feel of a controlled bike), and you'll understand what it means to "bang it sideways" on the asphalt

Now THIS is racing...

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What has always amazed me is that moto racers don't have bigger and better gear. In reference to the blog entry, I say bring back the "Luddite" racing and get those racers better gear.

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...and I would completely disagree with that sentiment. Sure, lap times are faster, corner speed higher and competition seemingly at an all time high...but it doesn't translate to action on the race track. The current equation results in a VERY monotonous and drab race. Sure, I (and all of you other true fans) still love it, popularity has not been higher...but I think the style that the 990's presented, or even potentially the 800's minus traction control just equates to better racing and a more presentable product.

Watch Aaron Yates race, even now (he uses VERY little traction control as he just doesn't like the droning feel of a controlled bike), and you'll understand what it means to "bang it sideways" on the asphalt

Now THIS is racing...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=N2y_qqlF1oo

at what point is there enough danger to make it interesting? is it acceptable to invite that much more risk just to make it more appealing to the mass market? I just feel that something else should be done before the bodies of the riders are put at more risk. Now this is just off the top of my head: race to race restriction - someone gets too dominant you dial their bike back? Maybe NASCAR is so appealing because it's as close to the same for everyone as possible so there's a greater chance for different winners.
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at what point is there enough danger to make it interesting? is it acceptable to invite that much more risk just to make it more appealing to the mass market? I just feel that something else should be done before the bodies of the riders are put at more risk. Now this is just off the top of my head: race to race restriction - someone gets too dominant you dial their bike back? Maybe NASCAR is so appealing because it's as close to the same for everyone as possible so there's a greater chance for different winners.
NASCAR is appealing for the off the track drama and pit stops...and the fact they drive cars, everyone drives "cars"...and many riders would speak to the contrary of traction control as "safety"...just ask Troy Bayliss and Nori Haga, both of whom absolutely HATE traction control (well, the type of traction control on GP bikes).

It has nothing to do with safety vs danger, it has to do with rider control and entertainment. Watching great riders make motorcycles do things they are not supposed to do is what makes for fantastic racing.

The comparison is simple...watch a WSB race just after a current GP, and you tell me which is more exciting

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Hate to say it cause I am a big fan of motogp but BORING.
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They need to make some 800 2 smokes to make it more exciting.
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AMA races were great. No spoilers from me but anyone who has dvr'd it needs to go home and watch it. Supersport and both Superbike races were fun to watch.
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Spoiled? Because we expect more "racing" and less follow the lead from the premier racing class?
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I'm really only kidding about the spoiled thing. But, after watching GP for so long, I don't really see the problem ... or much differance. Its always exciting to me. If you read a lot about it in between races it keeps in very interesting.

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Last year there were coutless epic battles that had me on the edge of my seat from beginning to end. Tons of lead changes.

Usually this year after the first lap everyone is separated by 1-2 seconds in the top 5 and stay that way unless there is a tire problem or crash.
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Last year there were coutless epic battles that had me on the edge of my seat from beginning to end. Tons of lead changes.

Usually this year after the first lap everyone is separated by 1-2 seconds in the top 5 and stay that way unless there is a tire problem or crash.
We can't have that every year and every race. You have to find the excitement in the details. They are messing with the format to try to get that and but I don't want NASCAR.

I hear where you are coming from. But, go watch 94 - 98 and tell me how consistently exciting that five year span was with Doohan winning just about every practice, qualifying session and race.

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We can't have that every year and every race. You have to find the excitement in the details. They are messing with the format to try to get that and but I don't want NASCAR.

I hear where you are coming from. But, go watch 94 - 98 and tell me how consistently exciting that five year span was with Doohan winning just about every practice, qualifying session and race.
Right, but that was due to the last of the true 500cc elites (the rainey, schwantz, lawson, etc era) kicking the everliving crap out of the rest of the field...the current situation is dictated in large part by the nature of the 800...you punk bitch

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if everyone would just run Busas and ZX14s there can be 12 lines through the corner cause everyone's gonna end up at 6mph and just haul ass on the straights...that would be sweet
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You want to know what would liven things up in MotoGP? Full contact MotoGP Death Race 2007.

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