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Please correct my if I'm an insensitive a-hole

So a week or two ago I'm sure some of you heard of a kid that was hit by a train. He and his buddy were dropping quarters on the tracks and flattening them. One of them was hit and of course I feel terrible for the family. But when I heard this on the news it didn't spark much of a care about it. It's not easy to get hit by a train. Not like walking into the street. You can see/feel/hear a train from miles away. Plenty of time to clear out. Not to mention the accident took place by an intersection with the bells going off. So what was it? Lack of awareness? No common sense? I mean I did the exact same stuff when I was 10 and was off the tracks when the train was even 5 miles away. No one taught me to clear off...it was one of those "man I don't wanna get hit" feelings. Am I insensitive because I don't feel bad for the kid? It's almost like you have to try to be hit. Any name calling or thoughts about that?
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was the kid foolish? yes.
do you have to lose sleep over it? no.
are you insensitive? slightly.

as foolish as they may have been, imagine being a family member.

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No no...I'm totally with the family. For example if I see a squid go down on the road, after the initial thoughts of the stupid act, checking if he's ok, my thoughts would go to the family.
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Re: Please correct my if I'm an insensitive a-hole

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I mean I did the exact same stuff when I was 10 and was off the tracks when the train was even 5 miles away. No one taught me to clear off...it was one of those "man I don't wanna get hit" feelings. Am I insensitive because I don't feel bad for the kid? It's almost like you have to try to be hit. Any name calling or thoughts about that?
I feel exactly the same way. I've live near the Metra Train tracks for over 20 years. It never once occured to me to let a train run me over. There must be something wrong with me. I feel bad for the family the kid died, but when I heard that my first thoughts were "how f**** stupid was that kid?"
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was the kid foolish? yes.
do you have to lose sleep over it? no.
are you insensitive? slightly.

as foolish as they may have been, imagine being a family member.
I don't know anyone in my family is stupid enough to stand on the tracks and let a train hit them when a train is crossing. We were all taught to "GET THE HELL OFF THE TRACKS NOW!!!!!!!!!"
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Re: Re: Please correct my if I'm an insensitive a-hole

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I feel exactly the same way. I've live near the Metra Train tracks for over 20 years. It never once occured to me to let a train run me over. There must be something wrong with me. I feel bad for the family the kid died, but when I heard that my first thoughts were "how f**** stupid was that kid?"
that's how I feel about it.
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Well,

I don't think your insensitive. It's weird how the whole thing happend. I'm still sad for the family. One of my friends got hit by killed by a train when we were growing up. I think we were about twelve. He crossed the tracks when one train passed and didn't see the other coming from behind it. Simple fact is kids make stupid mistakes and sometimes they can get killed for it. I remember doing lots of dumb stuff. My friends family was devastated by this and still are many years later.

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I don't think your too insensitve. It's a horrible tradgedy for the family but on the flip side how dumb was the kid. Since he was smashing coins he must have been looking for trains. This one is hard to put in words. I ride the train every day and at least once a week I see a stupid act. Hell there horn scares the hell out of me when i'm not expecting it.

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I wonder if his buddy took his quarter?
Now we know who's insensitive.

I can't imagine anyone not knowing a train is coming. Maybe he tried to hurry up and put a quarter on the track and fell or something.

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Originally posted by BABETTE
I don't know anyone in my family is stupid enough to stand on the tracks and let a train hit them when a train is crossing. We were all taught to "GET THE HELL OFF THE TRACKS NOW!!!!!!!!!"
famous last words.

accidents happen. we are always in control up to the moment we lose it. I cant take loss like this lightly, because when it hits close to home its devastating.

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I don't think your too insensitve. It's a horrible tradgedy for the family but on the flip side how dumb was the kid. Since he was smashing coins he must have been looking for trains. This one is hard to put in words. I ride the train every day and at least once a week I see a stupid act. Hell there horn scares the hell out of me when i'm not expecting it.

True,

People seem to get stupid around them. I've been riding a train for 6 years back and forth to work. So far I've seen

2 suicides by train (very gross)
1 oops got to close to the tracks waiting by the gates
1 oops metra security shouldn't be driving that close to tracks
1 deer (yuck but I wish it was on the way home mmm venison)
1 oops I parked my car too close to the tracks
1 OMG I need to make my train (SPLAT!!!...very sad)

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I see where your comming from. I think your more open minded than insensitive. I think it's unfortunate anytime someone is killed, but not sessesarily a tragedy other than for the family. The indivudual chose for thsi to happen.... gettign hit by a trin in my opinion is not an normal accident, it's careless... just like crossing the centerline on a biek and hitting a car as opposed to hitting gravel on a blind corner or a car turning left in front of you.
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Well,

I don't think your insensitive. It's weird how the whole thing happend. I'm still sad for the family. One of my friends got hit by killed by a train when we were growing up. I think we were about twelve. He crossed the tracks when one train passed and didn't see the other coming from behind it. Simple fact is kids make stupid mistakes and sometimes they can get killed for it. I remember doing lots of dumb stuff. My friends family was devastated by this and still are many years later.
No correction needed. The way Crazy described it is the way it usually happens.(didn't see the second one coming). When I was a kid, I lived next to the Santa Fe freight yards. The sound of the trains was constant day and night. As kids we played by the tracks all the time. Yes, we put pennies on the tracks too. A quarter was a fortune back then. You'd have to be nuts to squish that much money When we were really brave we'd jump on a rolling car that was just switched and ride it along for while. Were we nuts? A little I guess. But we were kids then and the world wasn't so rubber padded. My dad showed me a picture once from the National Enquirer of a guy that got hit by a train. That never left my mind and I didn't hop any more trains. No one(in a right state of mind) hops in front of a train on purpose. They must have been distracted. Pity.

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famous last words.

accidents happen. we are always in control up to the moment we lose it. I cant take loss like this lightly, because when it hits close to home its devastating.
I know what you mean about accidents. There was a famous one in the 80's I think in Franklin Park....a decapitation. But my point is.....I've lived literally 1 block from the trains that travel....metra and others. I've never been ALMOST hit by a train or had a near miss or went there to 'play' as a kid, I didn't want an accident to kill me. I have have never had a close call with a train.

My point is....trains are like trucks or cars or bikes. They don't veer off track, they don't get road rage, or suddenly turn in front of you...they don't stop on a dime and they don't just come up on you. You can hear their horn, the noise they make in general and besides that the gates which come down, not all intersections have them, but you do have EYEBALLS, if you look to cross the street, look to cross the tracks. If you are "playing" on the tracks you can feel the train, you can see the train (if you can't get the F*** off the tracks!).
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I couldn't believe the story either. just around flattening quarters.
quarters? why not do pennies? they must have been rich
I would feel bad for the family.

Don't you think it was more like he tried to jump on the train and take it for a ride for a few miles? Being between cars while stopped then the train moved.
Or was it he got hit by the Engine?

We used to do that when cutting class in HS.

Also when I was younger by the bike trails by the tracks. We saw this guy crawl under a moving train car 10-20 mph and go to the other side. I thought that was crazy.
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I know what you mean about accidents. There was a famous one in the 80's I think in Franklin Park....a decapitation. But my point is.....I've lived literally 1 block from the trains that travel....metra and others. I've never been ALMOST hit by a train or had a near miss or went there to 'play' as a kid, I didn't want an accident to kill me. I have have never had a close call with a train.

My point is....trains are like trucks or cars or bikes. They don't veer off track, they don't get road rage, or suddenly turn in front of you...they don't stop on a dime and they don't just come up on you. You can hear their horn, the noise they make in general and besides that the gates which come down, not all intersections have them, but you do have EYEBALLS, if you look to cross the street, look to cross the tracks. If you are "playing" on the tracks you can feel the train, you can see the train (if you can't get the F*** off the tracks!).
Doesn't even take eyeballs to know a train is there. You can be blind and deaf and still feel the earthquake it produces even when it's still a mile away. I believe he was hit by the engine.
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He crossed the tracks when one train passed and didn't see the other coming from behind it. Simple fact is kids make stupid mistakes and sometimes they can get killed for it.
Never mind the kids.....what about the adults? I can't begin to tell you how many times the "second train" scenario unfolds right in front of me on the way home. If wasn't for the fact that the second train waits for the first to pass you'd hear of a lot more accidents at the MontClare train station. You would think with all the news of train accidents and the $500 fines people would learn by now.

Am I insensitive for being sick and tired of being inconvenienced by other people's STUPIDITY?

BTW, I live right down the street from the Metra tracks myself, and one case I heard of was of a deaf man being hit.

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I would also agree. Where was the supervision. Maybe I'm still nieve only being a dad to a 3 year old. But I always know where he is when we are outside.

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Stupid accidents will happen to people who are not being dumb occasionally. But more often than not it will be a stupid accident by a stupid person. The Darwin effect I guess. However we're making the country so safety crazy that it's becoming more difficult to allow certain people to weed themselves out. hehehe I said 'weed'...anyway...It's one thing if you get pushed in front of a train or what not...but it's a different story if you're just trying to hold a quarter steady on train tracks, or if you hold that M-80 in your hand a wee bit long before throwing it, or if you never comprehend that using a hair dryer in the shower is not a good idea, or if you don't realize that a cup of coffee might be hot so you should expect a burn if you spill on yourself, or simply if you just realize that you're an idiot and should accept it.
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