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How can you tell if it's really a 600?

Just to make a long story over simplified, how can I tell if a Honda is really a 600F4 and not a bigger bike with small stickers on it?

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I would think you would be able to check the VIN number. Outside of that, I am not sure if enginges are serialized. I would think they are though.

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all 600's built after '99 will rev to over 13,500RPM.... no liter bikes or 750's will do that without extensive headwork. The indicated redline on a F4 is 13,700, on a F4i it's 14,200... on a 929 I think it's only 12,500
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Re: How can you tell if it's really a 600?

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Just to make a long story over simplified, how can I tell if a Honda is really a 600F4 and not a bigger bike with small stickers on it?

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Re: How can you tell if it's really a 600?

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Just to make a long story over simplified, how can I tell if a Honda is really a 600F4 and not a bigger bike with small stickers on it?

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should be apparent by the body work, frame, swingarm, redline, forks, etc.

these things should all be unique to the crb600 in the honda lineup.

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If you don't recognize the different bodywork, look at the forks, if they are inverted, the larger diameter tube at the top, then it's not a 600.
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They could have always put a bigger engine in a bike orginally made for a smaller engine (like a 7/11) so really the only way to tell is what cherry mentioned unless you wanna run the VIN numbers off the motor.
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They could have always put a bigger engine in a bike orginally made for a smaller engine (like a 7/11) so really the only way to tell is what cherry mentioned unless you wanna run the VIN numbers off the motor.
with reference to the cbr600 a larger engine is a real tight fit. I think you could cram a 900rr motor in the f2/3, but into the f4 or f4i would be difficult without some hacking and i've never read of it being done.

the 7/11 is a bad example, that is s totally different beast(air/oil cooled and cradle frame).

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I've heard of those illegal streetraces and the 7/11 was a dead giveaway with only 5 gears. Doesn't the engine have a 599cc stamping on the F4 or don't they do that any more.

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the 7/11 is a bad example, that is s totally different beast(air/oil cooled and cradle frame).

Those are real hard to tell. The frames were very similar between the 600/750/and 1100. I've even seen the 1100 in the 600 frame. Take the stickers off the bike and you have to really know the differences in bodywork they were all really close. The motors are stamped with size on the cylinder block though. It's very hard to see that when your out in the middle of nowhere in the middle of the night. I was even told that the 1100 crankshaft drops right into the 750 caseing. With an 1100 cylinder block you had one bad conversion cause the 750 was known for having higher compression and bolted right onto the 1100 cylinder block. Those bikes had amazingly interchangeable parts. The Honda's you speak of require a lot of fabircating and welding to get motors to interchange.

Now why doesn't anybody wanna buy all my parts from those motors I have laying around.

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cause they are a dying breed brian. only the true enthusiast still digs on them. great streetfighter platform though.

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hey mike how much you runnin for? hehehe

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Ok I am lost, what is a 7/11??? Any pics of this mystery machine??? Is this for straight illegal drag racing?? I didnt even know that was around here????
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Ok I am lost, what is a 7/11??? Any pics of this mystery machine??? Is this for straight illegal drag racing?? I didnt even know that was around here????

That's when you take an older air-cooled gsxr 750 and bolt up an 1100 motor in it. You won't be able to tell the difference from pics.

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Oh. Ok thanks
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here's the 11 The motors bolt right up to each other and you can see if you take stickers off and paint it solid it's hard to tell what it is.

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here's a better one with a seat cowl on the 11

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I guess one thing you could do would be to measure the size of the primaries on the headers but they could get tricky with that, too.
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I guess one thing you could do would be to measure the size of the primaries on the headers but they could get tricky with that, too.
Especially if they swapped the 1100 head for the 750 head. It was a popular mod to the 1100 motors cause it instantly gave you a better compression ratio

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IMO--It really doesn't matter much if its a 600 or 900+. If your talking about drag racing with a stock wheelbase & ride height its all about the rider (provided we're talking both bikes are fairly modern.) and getting the launch just right.

Also remember that just because it is a "600" doesn't mean it puts out 600 level HP. He could have a weak bike (like cherrypickers 93hp F4i) or he could have a fully HRC race kitted 2mm overbore 125+hp monster running 114octane and nitro propane.
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Hey...I'm back to 97HP thanks to MD Racing

Like Mark said, if you did some serious motor work, 130 HP is attainable.... btu the motor will probably grenade after 100 miels or so.
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Back to 97hp? stock was 97-98 and you have a pipe and PCIII and a custom map.

That's OK though...even with my 102hp, UR still faster even
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That's when you take an older air-cooled gsxr 750 and bolt up an 1100 motor in it. You won't be able to tell the difference from pics.
Anybody have a spare 9R engine?

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Anybody have a spare 9R engine?
be sure its a 9r engine from 94-97. other years dont fit.

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be sure its a 9r engine from 94-97. other years dont fit.
Thanks for the 411!!! Something to think about this coming winter.

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Thanks for the 411!!! Something to think about this coming winter.
no problem. there is still some fitment issues with the 94-97 9r motor, but its almost a perfect drop in. Selston has done a lot of research on this if you want to pick his brain at the next get together(and I've done a fair amount of research on it as well).

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Try E-bay or Stuntlife.com Those guys trash everything except the engine.

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Some kid wanted to set up my car against his 01 600CBR F4, it's for small change (under $100), plus he was giving us a 15 car lead. I dont think he knows what my car runs, so he was being generous. Anyway, we got busted by the Popo before the race got off, so I think we're going to try it this weekend. Thanks for the input, it'll be put to good use, and if the race does happen, I'll try to post a video of it somewhere. One more question, given a very good driver, what could one of those bikes pull off?

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A 15 car lead???? I'll give him some credit for confidence.

The guys I love are the ones that want to race for such high stakes they know you aren't gonna do it then call you a chicken for being a rational human being.

I'd take him on for a 15 car lead and $100. What's the 100 foot time for a C5?

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