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OK guys...I'm having problems with my car....and I really need some help. Hoping I can find it here before I have to take it somewhere and pay an arm and a leg...so any help would be greatly appreciated.

First...it's stuck down the street at Jewel so I need to get it home.....can anyone help with that? Again if I have to call a tow truck tomorrow I will...but trying to avoid paying out the ass.....

OK...so as to whats wrong with it bear with me....I know NOTHING about cars!!!!!

It's firing but not starting...so it's not the battery....my uncle has that diagnostic tool that tells you whats wrong with it......no codes are coming back??? Italianman has looked at it so he can add his

My uncle also said it's not the starter or alternator...it would sound different.

It's a 2004 Grand Am and has about 95k miles on it.

So any help....PLEASE.....dinner/beer/cash....ya know

Oh yeah....I live in Crest Hill/Joliet too

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My 05 Grand Am with under 30K miles on it did the same thing and it was a fried PCM. It didn't throw back a code except when the dealer scanned it with the good tool. I'm of no other help but to give you an idea?

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sounds broke. i'd put a scope on it.



honestly over the internet diagnostic of a crank no start is pretty hard, there are so many things that could cause it.

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So any help....PLEASE.....dinner/beer/cash....ya know

Oh yeah....I live in Crest Hill/Joliet too

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Fuel pump?
+1 Do you hear the fuel pump priming right before you turn the key all the way for starter to kick in?

Also checking if the plugs have a spark is relatively easy.

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A fuel pump or ignition module would be the first two things I would check. As mentioned earlier, if you can hear the fuel pump prime when you first turn the key that is a good sign, but you can also pull off the supply line to the motor and see if fuel comes out when you are cranking, if fuel comes out check that off the list for a no start. Ignitions can be a little more difficult, Im not familiar with american cars. You should be able to pull a plug wire off and put it close to something metal and see if there is a spark when you crank. Sometimes just wiggling some wires around will work if you have some bad wires or harness. You can also spray some water around and see if there is any arching. Dont rule out a battery though, you might want to try jumping it, a battery that is dying can still turn the engine over but not have enough juice to generate a good spark. Has any recent work been done? When was the last time things like plugs, wires and fuel filter were replaced? Good luck.
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Thanks guys....my buddy came out...and yeah you couldn't hear the fuel pump kick n...so he was playing with it and we heard it kick on and it started...so got it to my house...at least!!!!

Then he talked with a few buddys...he checked the relay and switched it with another like one....and I have started it about 10 times with no problems....so I'll just watch it cuz he isn't guaranteeing that it's fixed..

Thanks everyone!!!

I found a friend that would put the fuel pump in for me for cheap...so if I need it...

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Thanks guys....my buddy came out...and yeah you couldn't hear the fuel pump kick n...so he was playing with it and we heard it kick on and it started...so got it to my house...at least!!!!

Then he talked with a few buddys...he checked the relay and switched it with another like one....and I have started it about 10 times with no problems....so I'll just watch it cuz he isn't guaranteeing that it's fixed..

Thanks everyone!!!

I found a friend that would put the fuel pump in for me for cheap...so if I need it...



I suggest you get that fuel pump checked out and fixed now. It just sucks being stranded, especially if you know of a potential problem beforehand. Don't be like my dumb ass and ride or drive somewhere far off hoping everything will work . This always ends with me waiting hours for tow trucks and family members to help me out

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Thanks guys....my buddy came out...and yeah you couldn't hear the fuel pump kick n...so he was playing with it and we heard it kick on and it started...so got it to my house...at least!!!!

Then he talked with a few buddys...he checked the relay and switched it with another like one....and I have started it about 10 times with no problems....so I'll just watch it cuz he isn't guaranteeing that it's fixed..

Thanks everyone!!!

I found a friend that would put the fuel pump in for me for cheap...so if I need it...
Fuel pumps are easy to change. You should be able to do it yourself.

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Eugene, the fuel pump in that particular car is located inside the gas tank, and with that, you run the risk of breaking the sending unit while lowering the tank and/or taking the lines off, so this one isnt that easy.

As far as that goes, i don't recall if that is a "Modular sending unit and fuel pump" or if the fuel pump is replaceable seperately in that car ... i could look on Alldata at work if someone would like me to, to be sure.

Also ... if the fuel pump quit once (provided it wasnt the relay) it WILL quit again, its only a matter of time. One trick to try is to hit the tank in the middle under where the fuel pump is located (usually this will make the brushes fall back to the armature and it will take off again for awhile), so that might be enough to get you home if it does quit again.

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I would also replace the fuel pump ASAP. As they go bad they will have a larger draw and will keep burning up fuses and relays. You got lucky once and got it back to your house, now get it fixed. It might not wait till its sitting in a parking lot next time and just die waiting for a red light.
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I suggest you get that fuel pump checked out and fixed now. It just sucks being stranded, especially if you know of a potential problem beforehand. Don't be like my dumb ass and ride or drive somewhere far off hoping everything will work . This always ends with me waiting hours for tow trucks and family members to help me out
Thanks...that's my problem, I work all the way up in Schaumburg and I don't want to get stranded up there.....otherwise...I'll be crashing at someones house up there

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Thanks...that's my problem, I work all the way up in Schaumburg and I don't want to get stranded up there.....otherwise...I'll be crashing at someones house up there



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Eugene, the fuel pump in that particular car is located inside the gas tank, and with that, you run the risk of breaking the sending unit while lowering the tank and/or taking the lines off, so this one isnt that easy.

As far as that goes, i don't recall if that is a "Modular sending unit and fuel pump" or if the fuel pump is replaceable seperately in that car ... i could look on Alldata at work if someone would like me to, to be sure.

Also ... if the fuel pump quit once (provided it wasnt the relay) it WILL quit again, its only a matter of time. One trick to try is to hit the tank in the middle under where the fuel pump is located (usually this will make the brushes fall back to the armature and it will take off again for awhile), so that might be enough to get you home if it does quit again.

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its easy to change, but the part isnt very cheap

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Sounds like you have a pontiac and it's about ready to get thrown out.
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I changed the fuel pump on a jeep one time. Once you get the gas tank out its pretty easy. All I had to do was turn the fuel pump and pull it out. If the car cranks but doesn't start, you should check for spark first, then fuel. Easy way to check for fuel is to spray carb cleaner/gasoline into the throttle body while cranking the engine over. If the engine starts, you have a fuel problem.

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I changed the fuel pump on a jeep one time. Once you get the gas tank out its pretty easy. All I had to do was turn the fuel pump and pull it out. If the car cranks but doesn't start, you should check for spark first, then fuel. Easy way to check for fuel is to spray carb cleaner/gasoline into the throttle body while cranking the engine over. If the engine starts, you have a fuel problem.
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doh, glad you got it back. find out what he did that he got it to work. "jiggle some wires by the pump" if it was the pump not priming. maybe a fuse, maybe a loose connection etc.

if the pump is bad, it might involve dropping the tank most all pumps are on the top side.



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Also don't drive with empty tank as fuel pump uses gas to cool off.

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A fuel pump or ignition module would be the first two things I would check. As mentioned earlier, if you can hear the fuel pump prime when you first turn the key that is a good sign, but you can also pull off the supply line to the motor and see if fuel comes out when you are cranking, if fuel comes out check that off the list for a no start. Ignitions can be a little more difficult, Im not familiar with american cars. You should be able to pull a plug wire off and put it close to something metal and see if there is a spark when you crank. Sometimes just wiggling some wires around will work if you have some bad wires or harness. You can also spray some water around and see if there is any arching. Dont rule out a battery though, you might want to try jumping it, a battery that is dying can still turn the engine over but not have enough juice to generate a good spark. Has any recent work been done? When was the last time things like plugs, wires and fuel filter were replaced? Good luck.

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It seems like everyone's general consensus is that it might be the fuel pump. However, my brother had a similar problem with his Pontiac a while back and it turns out it was a problem with his factory alarm. He disabled it and it worked fine after that. Try to check that out first before you start messing with the fuel pump.
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