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big brother and his red light camera coming to LITH

anyone else catch the lake in the hills sign at the corner of miller and randall? yep big brother is coming with his red light cameras!!!

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Now, now all...I can assure that the installation of these cameras is purely to promote traffic safety and save lives

I really dont like the red light camera idea at all. I mean, I dont mind cameras being at intersections so that if there is a crime or a really bad accident that occurred there then you can review the recordings to get suspect or vehicle info or confirm who was really at fault in an accident where statements conflict etc... but I'm not too keen on them for generating tickets.

I wonder if they create accidents sometimes. Like, if the light just turns yellow and, yes eventhough yellow means slow down, someone who is just about the enter the intersection slams on their breaks bc they are afraid of the camera catching them causes an accident.
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FTR, technically speaking, running a red light is when your bumper or front tires cross the white line? Or when the bumper or front tires cross the curb line?

Different states have different laws, I've lived too many damn places.
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I saw that. Are they putting it on Randall and Miller or just everywhere?
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I wonder if they create accidents sometimes. Like, if the light just turns yellow and, yes eventhough yellow means slow down, someone who is just about the enter the intersection slams on their breaks bc they are afraid of the camera catching them causes an accident.

Yes they do. I know when come up to boughton and weber I have on numerous occasions slammed on my brakes with everything I have cause the light changed to yellow as I was coming up to it, I have almost been hit and caused many people to take emergency action on., Hell I wont even turn right on red at that intersection even though it's legal. I just sit there with people honking at me. I drive a company truck I cant afford one of those tickets being sent to my boss.

I trying to figure out if, I get rear ended if I can sue redlight cameras.com for causing the accident, as braking like that would not be necessary if their gear was not present at the intersection.




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yeah and it is this reason that I absolutly hate the cameras because alot of them are set up that if you cross the line and still stop you are still getting a ticket, what kind of crap is that.

but I do understand that it helps to get people to stop, the whole money generator thing thats a different topic.
the new one that I see everyday is on 94 between Lake Cook and Buckley they are doing center barrier/shoulder work in a few areas and the speed limit is 45 there, I have yet to be in traffic and see it slow down below 65 in those areas. This morning they were unloading some heavy equipment and a guy was standing there trying to get traffic to slow down and not even a brake light from anyone, all went past at 75-80 inches from what was going on
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I was involved in an accident because some asshat ran a red light, but I don't like the use of cameras to give tickets. Its a bad idea. Like Criminalgirl said, I think its a good idea to help in a court case like the one I was in where its my word against his.

The camera on Boughton/Weber sucks. I saw a semi turning left on a green, but it took him so long to get through the intersection that the camera snapped his picture. I saw the flash go off. Poor dude probably got a ticket in the mail.

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I wonder if they create accidents sometimes. Like, if the light just turns yellow and, yes eventhough yellow means slow down, someone who is just about the enter the intersection slams on their breaks bc they are afraid of the camera catching them causes an accident.
People do that plenty without the cameras there ...

I could care less. I do not run red lights, so it will not affect me. Good for lith to lead the way
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There is one right infront of my job, and it causes accidents. At least ten times a day I hear tires screeching and skidding from people trying to stop on yellow to avoid crossing that line. I am against them, like Brian I don't run red lights, but I have been stuck in situations where the light was turning yellow and I didn't know if I should continue or slam on the brakes to avoid a ticket. So far, I just slam on the brakes and almost make the car do an indo to avoid the ticket, and brace myself for impact from behind .

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I saw that. Are they putting it on Randall and Miller or just everywhere?

I dont know yet, it was not in there police flyer that was mailed out a week or so a go. it really wont affect me, but i still dont like it.

just thought id post a heads up as there are a lot of us from lith on this board or near by

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I hope this doesnt come up north here. I too make it a point not to run red lights, but man every time I think I just made it into the intersection as the light turned red, I look back and see 3 or 4 cars still charging ahead, clearly running the light

I think the rule is your front wheels shouldn't cross the white line, not necessarily your bumper.

Hey Criminalgrrl, if you run a red light and get a ticket, can you use the reason that a big SUV was following too close and if you slammed on your brakes he was definitely going to hit you? Or should we just slam on our brakes and wait for the hit. But if we do that, can the other person put the blame on us for slamming our brakes? I dont think so, cause that means they were following too close in the first place, right.

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no info found on where at though, my guess is miller and randall, or the one infront of lowes or both

guess i need to read closer, it is the one in front of lowes

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Now, now all...I can assure that the installation of these cameras is purely to promote traffic safety and save lives

I really dont like the red light camera idea at all. I mean, I dont mind cameras being at intersections so that if there is a crime or a really bad accident that occurred there then you can review the recordings to get suspect or vehicle info or confirm who was really at fault in an accident where statements conflict etc... but I'm not too keen on them for generating tickets.

I wonder if they create accidents sometimes. Like, if the light just turns yellow and, yes eventhough yellow means slow down, someone who is just about the enter the intersection slams on their breaks bc they are afraid of the camera catching them causes an accident.
Numerous studies have shown them to cause more accidents.. A number of sites have also shortened yellow lights causing an 80-100% increase in accidents... (but a LAWT more tickets)

I'd point out links.. but.. everyone on here can google for themselved..
try googling redlight cam.. i cant imagine you will find anything positive.
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The company I work for manufactures those and they send me out in the field to work on them. Pretty cool technology actually, each is controlled and monitored over the internet and have their own secured IP address.
Annixter?
Oddly enough they came from the racing world (Formula 1.. named after Maurice Gatsonides - He used them to photograph himself when practicing (and racing?)


on another point... isn't not getting the ticket merely having perfect timing?
get the car behind you to almost rear end you right as you pass the camera.. and the car behind you will block the shot
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I have been nailed twice in Illinois by people running the red, so you would think I would be all for them....NOT!!! What is annoying is the state hires a firm to install and maintain them, I'm not sure in Illinois but in Arizona, the firm who maintained the system was issuing the tickets and receiving a percentage of any monies collected, a big I know they had closed down the camera system in the Phoenix area because this...this was a couple of years back...I'm not sure if it's back up.

So Jen...who is issuing the tickets...the state? or the firm that operates the camera system?

And are the intersection with the camera system marked as a intersection under surveillance? with signage like when they use photo radar in construction zones??

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Interesting argument to fight the "ticket" not sure if it would work

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Yeah I saw this in the flyer a few days ago. I'm kind of surprised they aren't putting it at Miller and Randall though. People are constantly running through red lights, especially turning west onto Miller from Randall. Hells, I do it everyday!
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So Jen...who is issuing the tickets...the state? or the firm that operates the camera system?

And are the intersection with the camera system marked as a intersection under surveillance? with signage like when they use photo radar in construction zones??
I have no idea who issues the tickets for these things. No other jurisdictions around my town have or use them so I can't even ask them.

When going through Bolingbrook, I never bothered to look for posted signs of the camera usage either. I just remeber the first time I saw them was on boughton at night and I kept thinking WTF are these white flashing lights up ahead?!?!



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Hey Criminalgrrl, if you run a red light and get a ticket, can you use the reason that a big SUV was following too close and if you slammed on your brakes he was definitely going to hit you? Or should we just slam on our brakes and wait for the hit. But if we do that, can the other person put the blame on us for slamming our brakes? I dont think so, cause that means they were following too close in the first place, right.
Pretty much every accident where one vehicle rear ends another, the rear vehicle should be at fault for following too close or failure to reduce speed to avoid an accident.

I've only seen someone go to trial over a red light ticket issued by an officer once. The defendant said they didn't think they had time to slow down. The Judge asked them if the light turned yellow after ir was green and before it had turned red. The defendant said yes and so the Judge then said, well yellow means start slowing down because the red light is coming and you need to stop by then." and found them guilty.

I wonder if all yellow lights should be on a time so wvery yellow light has the same duration to be displayed. There have been many times where one interesection has a long yellow light and another has a yellow show up for only a couple quick seconds.
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According to one of my traffic school instructors. a lemont Officer whom I've gotten to know pretty well due to my frequent mandated visits to his class, mentioned that the yellow lights are supposed to be timed to 1 second per 10 mph of speed limit on the road approaching the intersection. Not sure if thats law though or general guideline.




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I like these cameras. I myself have been busted twice, but it think it's a great idea. Only gripe, the intervals between the light changes between the city and suburbs should be the same. The city lights change much faster from what i've noticed.

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I like these cameras. I myself have been busted twice, but it think it's a great idea. Only gripe, the intervals between the light changes between the city and suburbs should be the same. The city lights change much faster from what i've noticed.
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Don't make me borrow your fishing poles and fuck em up again. Seriously though, i think it's great, especially in the city. It makes it easier for people making left turns IMO. Camera @ intersection, no one blows light = everyone on left lane can go...

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My understanding was that the picture was triggered by the red light, not the yellow, and that you had a second or 2 after the change to red before the pictures was snapped.
The brakes in my STI are almost as impressive as the brakes on my bike, but if the light goes yellow, and the driver behind me is on the phone and shows no indication they intend to attempt to stop, I go to boost. I figure that if they follow me through the light, there is my proof that an attempt to stop would have resulted in an accident and property damage.
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